Elon Musk

Diddums said:
This is worth a watch.


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I really recommend anyone that thinks Elon Musk is just a dreamer or wants to be critical of him in any other way, to watch this video ^.

Not only is it inspirational, but it shows he's a very smart and quite amazing individual who's not afraid of taking big risks or working extremely hard (unlike me, very lazy :p) and where no and can't aren't even in his dictionary.

Also,
 
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dowie said:
Do you have a source re: that last bit - I'm aware there is the idea that we might be living in a simulation and that some people might be funding research into this... but what is "finding a way out of it" in reference to - it doesn't necessarily even make sense.
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It's a bit of a weird one, the "leak" comes from Sam Altman ( Y Combinator) in extended interview/profile with Tad Friend ("New Yorker"). Altman was really talking about AI and then while taking about obsessions of rich people he told Friend how "two tech billionaires have gone so far as to secretly engage scientists to work on breaking us out of the simulation". This was then followed all over the place, including Independent, with journalists pretty much agreeing that one of the investors paying those scientists was Elon Musk. To be fair - I don't think there is anything negative in that approach - as in - if you can become certain that this IS a simulation, Musk is clearly playing this game for the win, that's something to envy.
 
The main thing about Elon Musk that interests me is Neuralink. Brain–computer interface directed at researching, mapping, assisting, augmenting, or repairing human cognitive or sensory-motor functions. Very very interesting, can you imagine computers in the not so far future being able to do this to a human brain? imagine uploading data to a chip in your brain giving it upgrades and allowing you to perform better, let alone combating diseases. The future of technology which is made by man in turn making man better is bewildering.

Just don't let Ubisoft upload any data if you do get a chip implanted. Serious problems may develop.
 
v0n said:
It's a bit of a weird one, the "leak" comes from Sam Altman ( Y Combinator) in extended interview/profile with Tad Friend ("New Yorker"). Altman was really talking about AI and then while taking about obsessions of rich people he told Friend how "two tech billionaires have gone so far as to secretly engage scientists to work on breaking us out of the simulation". This was then followed all over the place, including Independent, with journalists pretty much agreeing that one of the investors paying those scientists was Elon Musk. To be fair - I don't think there is anything negative in that approach - as in - if you can become certain that this IS a simulation, Musk is clearly playing this game for the win, that's something to envy.
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ah, found it thanks - the New Yorker interview :)

it still doesn't necessarily make sense, I mean the idea that we could break out - even if we were in a simulator the idea of breaking out could be complete nonsense... I mean suppose AI advances considerably and I create a 2D world on some server some self aware 2D beings.. eventually they deduce they're living in a simulation... but it is a bit moot as they just exist on my server cut off from the rest of the world and can only be represented in 2 dimensions, they don't exist outside of it and the concept of them escaping is just not plausible, the 3D world they might want to escape to isn't for them...
 
dowie said:
ah, found it thanks - the New Yorker interview :)

it still doesn't necessarily make sense, I mean the idea that we could break out - even if we were in a simulator the idea of breaking out could be complete nonsense... I mean suppose AI advances considerably and I create a 2D world on some server some self aware 2D beings.. eventually they deduce they're living in a simulation... but it is a bit moot as they just exist on my server cut off from the rest of the world and can only be represented in 2 dimensions, they don't exist outside of it and the concept of them escaping is just not plausible, the 3D world they might want to escape to isn't for them...
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Depends what the requirement is to be self aware.
 
dowie said:
How do you mean?
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Well there is the aspect of whether something is truly self-aware or just going through the motions of awareness but then can you actually create something that is aware of itself within the simulation or does it need to be something that is plugged into the simulation receiving the simulation as sensory input?
 
Rroff said:
Well there is the aspect of whether something is truly self-aware or just going through the motions of awareness but then can you actually create something that is aware of itself within the simulation or does it need to be something that is plugged into the simulation receiving the simulation as sensory input?
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well without going too far down the whole philosophical route I'll just go with self awareness in the same way we are... lets have a 3D world much like our own if you like - if we're in a simulation and are self aware then the beings in my simulation can be self aware too

the point was more just that escape doesn't necessarily make any sense - I create a world on a server, the beings in that world are self aware... they eventually discover they're in a simulation... but still they have no control over anything outside of their world - escape is meaningless, they exist as 1s and 0s on the server and that is all

the point with regards to the 2D beings was that we live in more dimensions than them, escape is not only not possible but our 3D world is meaningless to them - suppose we were in a simulation we don't know how many dimensions there are in the actual place where some beings created our universe etc.. in fact they might not even know we exist per say as we're just on one tiny planet in a tiny, tiny part of it
 
Yeah there is that possibility - but it is also possible that there is some "base" reality where beings of some kind are plugged into the output from a simulation and it is the only sensory input they know - escape might be possible or it could be that there is some other factor like the badly injured are plugged into the simulation due to inability to actually live outside of it, etc. or some other possibility that we can't possibly understand currently.
 
Rroff said:
Yeah there is that possibility - but it is also possible that there is some "base" reality where beings of some kind are plugged into the output from a simulation and it is the only sensory input they know - escape might be possible
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sounds like it could be a movie plot.... :)
 
I hope he achieves it all.
Paves the way for real advances.

Hopefully he sets up Mars, then does a switcheroo on Earth and Nukes it from orbit...just to be sure
 
A modern day Brunel. Inspirational, visonary and walks the walk, rather than just talking the talk.

I don't see Jobs on his level. Slicker, better looking consumer devices. That's mainly his contribution, and that's coming from a fan of Apple products.
 
dowie said:
ah, found it thanks - the New Yorker interview :)

it still doesn't necessarily make sense, I mean the idea that we could break out - even if we were in a simulator the idea of breaking out could be complete nonsense... I mean suppose AI advances considerably and I create a 2D world on some server some self aware 2D beings.. eventually they deduce they're living in a simulation... but it is a bit moot as they just exist on my server cut off from the rest of the world and can only be represented in 2 dimensions, they don't exist outside of it and the concept of them escaping is just not plausible, the 3D world they might want to escape to isn't for them...
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this makes no sense, dimensions does not matter. if we made advance ai simulation, they could break out, a bit like skynet from terminator.
 
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