EMP Weapons

EMP could be useful, but not really as a large scale weapon of attack in cities, best case scenario in a war you want to eliminate the enemy but leave their infrastructure intact, EMP does the opposite, it eliminates the infrastructure and leaves the enemy intact.

Well I'd see it more being used to ruin your enemy without actually invading. The, er, TV series Dark Angel explored this where terrorists detonated one in the States turning it into a third world country. Oh and it featured Jessica Alba, good times.
 
Well I'd see it more being used to ruin your enemy without actually invading. The, er, TV series Dark Angel explored this where terrorists detonated one in the States turning it into a third world country. Oh and it featured Jessica Alba, good times.

It also featured half man half dog creatures that could paint so I'd take your theory with a pinch of salt.
 
No it doesn't. It simply scrambles all the data. A pc was placed in a room with an EMP. All it did was wipe the hard drive and clear the CMOS information. The PC could be fixed again.

Perhaps this is a new funky way of resetting a PC's CMOS setting should moving the jumper not work.
Wrong, have a look on Google for electromagnetic induction.
 
EMP is not as effective as everyone seems to think. For a start, the power requirements to obtain a decent incident voltage on an unhardened target at a decent range are massive. With current technology, it would certainly not be a portable weapon. Secondly, not everything electronic is susceptible. Things like spark plugs already deal with a fair amount of voltage compared to, say, a laptop CPU, so you'd need a powerful EMP to break it. You're more likely to damage computerised components such as the engine management system. Of course, something like a PC would be relatively easy to damage if it were out in the open. Which brings us to the last constraint: vulnerability. Your average building would provide an EM attenuation in the order of 30 dB. That's a lot. That's just with bricks and curtains. So you may be pointing a powerful EMP at a building, but the incident voltage that manifests on the target electronics would be comparatively weak.

When technology has improved for power supply units, so that you can store huge quantities of energy in a small box and release it quickly, then you might be able to make a decent EMP weapon. I found a website a while ago with instructions on how to make a small one which could disrupt an active mobile phone from a few feet away. I don't remember how to get there though.

Exactly. The EMP would also depend on how broadband in terms of frequency the pulse is going to be. If it isnt hiigh enough then it wouldnt affect things with short loops or antennas. Yes it might blow things that are attached to the mains as they could be connected to overhead lines but portable appliances that arent even turned on will more than likely be not effected.

Cars are also pretty good faraday cages so I would doubt an EMP would even have an effect on a car.

As to how to dispupt an active mobile phone, all you need is an RF amplifier at the appropriate frequency and transmit via an appropriate antenna any signal or white noise as an example at around 5 watts and it should jam the signal from your mobile as it should only transmit a peak of 2watts for a GSM signal
 
Exactly. The EMP would also depend on how broadband in terms of frequency the pulse is going to be. If it isnt hiigh enough then it wouldnt affect things with short loops or antennas. Yes it might blow things that are attached to the mains as they could be connected to overhead lines but portable appliances that arent even turned on will more than likely be not effected.

Cars are also pretty good faraday cages so I would doubt an EMP would even have an effect on a car.

As to how to dispupt an active mobile phone, all you need is an RF amplifier at the appropriate frequency and transmit via an appropriate antenna any signal or white noise as an example at around 5 watts and it should jam the signal from your mobile as it should only transmit a peak of 2watts for a GSM signal

I built something similar like this in my second year electronics project at university. Got the original plans from the adefruit website, but they don't have them anymore :(
 
You need to supply power/networking to the device/machine/building inside the Faraday cage, so any EMP pulse could reach it via this cable. You couldn't go wireless because, well.. yer in a Faraday cage! :p
 
You need to supply power/networking to the device/machine/building inside the Faraday cage, so any EMP pulse could reach it via this cable. You couldn't go wireless because, well.. yer in a Faraday cage! :p

What if the faraday cage is the antenna!

For a few milliseconds, but then the actual blast of the nuke makes the whole debate kind of pointless :D

I was thinking of a high altitude blast. :p
 
If there's such a thing as an OCUK watchlist, then everyone in this thread is now on it:D
 
You need to supply power/networking to the device/machine/building inside the Faraday cage, so any EMP pulse could reach it via this cable. You couldn't go wireless because, well.. yer in a Faraday cage! :p

Surely a fiber-optic cable ought to be impervious to an EMP attack?

Anyway as I said before, you don't even need a faraday cage. Bricks and mortar provide more than enough attenuation to any EM pulse that could reasonably be created by amateurs. I've actually been working on this stuff, so believe me when I say it's not as easy to make an EM directed energy weapon as it sounds.
 
Surely a fiber-optic cable ought to be impervious to an EMP attack?

Anyway as I said before, you don't even need a faraday cage. Bricks and mortar provide more than enough attenuation to any EM pulse that could reasonably be created by amateurs. I've actually been working on this stuff, so believe me when I say it's not as easy to make an EM directed energy weapon as it sounds.

What's providing the signal source to the fibre?

Bricks & mortar don't seem to have much of an effect on any other source of RF energy??
 
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Bricks & mortar don't seem to have much of an effect on any other source of RF energy??

Of course it does, its just that most things that we use are low enough frequency that it doesnt get effected much. Try bringing your satellite dish indoors and see how great a picture you get.
 
Of course it does, its just that most things that we use are low enough frequency that it doesnt get effected much. Try bringing your satellite dish indoors and see how great a picture you get.

Aren't satellite transmissions fairly low power to start with and a lot higher in frequency than most other common RF?
 
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Aren't satellite transmissions fairly low power to start with and a lot higher in frequency than most other common RF?

Not particularly but due to the distance being broadcasted you get a lot of attenuation. Yes satellite transmission is a lot higher in frequency which is exactly my point.

Bricks and mortar does have an effect on RF energy but is frequency dependant, which is why some people get poor reception on thier mobiles in doors. The higher the frequency, the more it is attenuated by the building or gets reflected all together.
 
Not particularly but due to the distance being broadcasted you get a lot of attenuation. Yes satellite transmission is a lot higher in frequency which is exactly my point.

Bricks and mortar does have an effect on RF energy but is frequency dependant, which is why some people get poor reception on thier mobiles in doors. The higher the frequency, the more it is attenuated by the building or gets reflected all together.

I guess my point is that an already week signal may be adequately attenuated by bricks and mortar, but for the purposes of the fictional EMP weapon of this thread bricks and mortar aren't likely to be much of a barrier.
 
If its a chemical explosive powered one it might ruin a datacenter on a direct hit.

If it's a nuke you've seriously got to question the mentality of a country that would launch a nuclear first strike against a country and leave it's population alive and ****ed off with a fully functioning retaliatory nuclear arsenal at their finger tips.
 
For the logistics/technology/cost involved with building an effective EMP device surely an aggressor would simply invade us with ground, air and sea assults to destroy our p0rn collections? ;)
 
I guess my point is that an already week signal may be adequately attenuated by bricks and mortar, but for the purposes of the fictional EMP weapon of this thread bricks and mortar aren't likely to be much of a barrier.

Except that it is. It's a more effective barrier than you know. Even your mobile phone will lose signal if you're not near any windows. You seem to be assuming you have unlimited energy and are able to release that energy quickly. You need a humongous power supply to create an EMP strong enough to adversely affect electronics inside your average building.
 
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