Employer is requiring biometric data for clocking on, can I refuse?
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Can't say i'd be bothered really, chances are your details are already held in some database in india without you knowing, either by the bank, telecoms, utilities. I've you've ever called an indian call centre i bet they've got your personal details in front of them.
Most fraudsters are only after a credit card number, what can they actually do with a fingerprint in reality? the only time i've ever given my fingerprint was to US immigration and personally i'd rather go with the indian database than them
Not worth kicking up a fuss with a brand new employer, i wouldn't want to be branded as a whinger, especially when i doubt there's anything you can do about it.
Most fraudsters are only after a credit card number, what can they actually do with a fingerprint in reality? the only time i've ever given my fingerprint was to US immigration and personally i'd rather go with the indian database than them
Not worth kicking up a fuss with a brand new employer, i wouldn't want to be branded as a whinger, especially when i doubt there's anything you can do about it.
If you see my post a while back, apparently if you have a sincere belief that you will be 'marked by the devil' if your biometric info is taken, that might qualify as a religious belief and so they can't make you do it...
Yes, because I really am winging and moaning
You basically are though
if you've got an online e-mail account, social network profile you've already got stuff in the public domain associated with you - not to mention a hell of a lot of private information stored abroad.
Finger print data - or basically a bunch of numbers/parameters associated with your name is pretty meaningless. So yes in this instance 'biometric data' is a buzz word.
When you send an e-mail you are effectively sending a piece of data attached to your name - do you think it would be acceptable to refuse to send any e-mails to foreign clients because by definition they will have your name on and your e-mail addy & therefore personal data associated with you would be stored on a foreign computer.
It is completely retarded to moan about this tbh.. if you really have any concerns about it then frankly you're a complete Luddite.
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its not a snapshot of your fingerprint, they cant do anything with it.
we had a biometric clocking machine at my old place. bothered? hardly.
we had a biometric clocking machine at my old place. bothered? hardly.
How is asking a question winging or moaning? Or is just that you cannot see my position on this and as such you think I'm winging and moaning? Opinions differ, get used to it.
Again, I've already stated that I appreciate this fact.
Currently maybe, and in the future when it's needed for more secure purposes and that data is already out in the wild?
Again, I've already stated that I'm not against it in the correct circumstances, I just don't feel that this is one of them.
Ah yes, here we go with the 'I can't actually come up with anything reasonable without ignoring a load of what has already been stated so I'll resort to personal insult', I'll not argue with you as you're likely to drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.
Yes, I may be being unreasonable myself taking this stance but I really do not see it as a valid use of my data or details when there are far more acceptable methods available, and yes I will walk away from the job if I cannot deny them it.
Most of the big banks do just this....MBNA is one that springs to mind.They use a company in Mumbai.As long as they have adequate protection in place then I don't think they are breaking any laws.
Dano, please put your rolleyes away. It really isn't doing you any favours.
A biometric record for a fingerprint is a sequence of numbers that represent key features of your fingerprint. It is not a photograph, and it cannot be 'reverse-engineered' to make a fingerprint.
If you're worried about identity theft, then you have a big problem. Your employer holds your name, address, date of birth, possibly your phone number, NI number, bank account details. That's a wet dream for a criminal wanting to steal your identity - everything that matters about you in one neat package. Your fingerprint doesn't even come close to making an iota of difference to a criminal armed with that lot.
My advice: Quit being paranoid or leave. That's the sum total of your options (unless of course you've got a friendly Union rep who can hold a strike ballot on your behalf). Good luck finding an employer who won't store enough data to steal your identity. Oh and don't bother claiming JSA either - they hold all the same data.
PS - I've had my credit cards cloned three times now. You'd expect me to be the sort of person to get paranoid. I don't - it's a fact of modern-day life.
Edit - forgot to say - as long as your employer complies with the DPA they can gather and use whatever data the law deems reasonable (and that would include biometric fingerprint data). You have no say in this matter.
A biometric record for a fingerprint is a sequence of numbers that represent key features of your fingerprint. It is not a photograph, and it cannot be 'reverse-engineered' to make a fingerprint.
If you're worried about identity theft, then you have a big problem. Your employer holds your name, address, date of birth, possibly your phone number, NI number, bank account details. That's a wet dream for a criminal wanting to steal your identity - everything that matters about you in one neat package. Your fingerprint doesn't even come close to making an iota of difference to a criminal armed with that lot.
My advice: Quit being paranoid or leave. That's the sum total of your options (unless of course you've got a friendly Union rep who can hold a strike ballot on your behalf). Good luck finding an employer who won't store enough data to steal your identity. Oh and don't bother claiming JSA either - they hold all the same data.
PS - I've had my credit cards cloned three times now. You'd expect me to be the sort of person to get paranoid. I don't - it's a fact of modern-day life.
Edit - forgot to say - as long as your employer complies with the DPA they can gather and use whatever data the law deems reasonable (and that would include biometric fingerprint data). You have no say in this matter.
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I find that nigh on impossible to comprehend. It's just..so petty.
I think he's worried about his fingerprint being stored in form which hypothetically may be reverse-engineerable, which then means in a future hypothetical world where fingerprints are used as ID confirmation, there might be a hypothetical scenario where his fingerprint is leaked, to a hypothetical person who might steal his ID, and hypothetically use it for untoward behaviours.
I think that's right anyway
I think that's right anyway
How can you clock on without giving any piece of personal information?
Dude its a recession, you wont get a job if you quit. Anywho identity fraud has nothing to do with biometrics. They actually have to go somewhere to use it and internet criminals tend to stay at home buying stuff with their cloned credit cards.
