Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)

Prices have increased more than 9%.
Doesn’t matter if we (UK) use 0% or 100% of Russian Gas - it’s a global commodity.
If one country stops supply, then it increases demand for all of that product, because there is less of it, which pushes up prices whereever it comes from.

UK sourced Gas sells for the same price as Norway and Russian Gas (when it was flowing).
 
Most of his facts are very vague too, the average rich person? What definition is that? And they all gained in "Cash" £100k-200k during COVID. The implication that is £100,000 more that they would have normally made.
So these are the people he's concerned with. I'm sure they wouldn't be cutting their energy usage cap or not.

During covid we had fiscal policies. These give money to normal people, not the rich. I.e. furlough.

This is why we see higher prices so quickly, likewise the energy cap is fiscal as you give money directly to people.

Importantly, CPI or RPI or anything similar is not inflation, inflation is the expansion of the money supply, once you expand the money supply inflation has already occurred, the effects of which can be seen later.

CPI is to compare the effects of inflation on normal people, not inflation itself. So for example in 2009, onwards we did have inflation its just it was in asset prices due to monetary policies, not in the cost of food etc.

Regardless the current energy cap is a bad idea. The focus should be on boosting supply, not boosting demand.

Doesn’t matter if we (UK) use 0% or 100% of Russian Gas - it’s a global commodity.
If one country stops supply, then it increases demand for all of that product, because there is less of it, which pushes up prices whereever it comes from.

The question is not about if we use russian gas, simply gas.

If we stop using gas from norway, that gas would go back to EU, and, prices will lower
 
I suspect the war will be over in 6 months, Putin will be gone and things will be back to normal by next spring.
It will be over by Christmas....

Hopefully you are right but history teaches us to be cautious.

Plus even if they get rid of Putin, you still need his replacement to be friendly to the west and respect Ukraine before any talks of dropping sanctions.
 
Back to the point I raised a few days ago before the temporary forum shutdown.

What does the £2500 cap mean in actual % terms on the Kw or Gas unit cost? I am having great difficulty convincing my missus that we will not be paying £2.5k, based on our current usage of around £1100pa. At one point I was calculating with the £400 rebate we might even be marginally better off.
The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October.
 
Back to the point I raised a few days ago before the temporary forum shutdown.

What does the £2500 cap mean in actual % terms on the Kw or Gas unit cost? I am having great difficulty convincing my missus that we will not be paying £2.5k, based on our current usage of around £1100pa. At one point I was calculating with the £400 rebate we might even be marginally better off.
Up to about 1.4k but depends on your balance of gas vs electric usage as gas goes up more than electric. This is assuming you on the SVR currently which you didnt state.
 
The vast majority of shares in fossil fuel companies are owned by rich people, rich people own the vast majority of assets and your mortgage/debt is their asset, pension funds own less than 0.2% of BP and Shell shares:
Seems like flawed data to me. If you read the article.

"A review of the oil giants’ shares by the Common Wealth thinktank shows the largest holdings are by US investment companies, including BlackRock and Vanguard"

Individual investors buy into those investment companies into funds or trackers, many UK people do in ISAs and SIPPs. I think that article is seriously flawed.

I support a windfall tax by the way, just not the way that article justifies it.
 
Ok, noob at this Solar stuff. I have a quote.

14 x 375w JA solar Panel
5kw solis inverter
Switch gear, cabling, meteri
Pan tile roof mounting kit
Installation
Scaffolding
HIES, MCS, NICEIC package

£5960 (0% vat)

Any good? What should I ask?
Everything, in writing. If you think the motor trade is dodgy, even some of the big solar sellers are on an entirely different level. Many sub or sub sub contract, often they will try and palm people off with sub optimal products that differ from what you think you are buying. The industry is a minefield, and the energy crisis seems to have emboldened them due to unprecedented demand. Do your own research or ask on a specialist INDEPENDENT forum for specific advice.

Personally if I were to consider solar, (which I am not given our climate), I'd buy the component parts and do everything myself, so I know things are done right with decent stuff. There will be reputable companies, but sorting the wheat from the chaff is challenging.
 
Seems like flawed data to me. If you read the article.

"A review of the oil giants’ shares by the Common Wealth thinktank shows the largest holdings are by US investment companies, including BlackRock and Vanguard"

Individual investors buy into those investment companies into funds or trackers, many UK people do in ISAs and SIPPs. I think that article is seriously flawed.

I support a windfall tax by the way, just not the way that article justifies it.

Exactly

I have shares via SIPP in Blackrock funds, and shares via Vanguard via my S&S ISA
 
My efforts for cutting back seem to have paid off. £77 total for August, family of four. That's £10.21 gas.
on svp that's circa 6 e units a day for 4 sounds good,
- r4today corroborated that those on higher rate fixed will have them reduced to newer cap


Seems like flawed data to me. If you read the article.

"A review of the oil giants’ shares by the Common Wealth thinktank shows the largest holdings are by US investment companies, including BlackRock and Vanguard"
could be some legitimacy that pension funds already divested as article hints
like -> https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-investing-in-fossil-fuels-amid-climate-fears
bp/shell won't be isolated from any windfall tax the EU, other countries instantiate, too, in that respect uk action is academic,
Haven't heard Biden discuss any potential windfall tax, even though he was begging OPEC.
 
Hmm, based on the 10.3p gas & 34p electric, the government cap is £38.44/month cheaper than my existing fix, but that's based on the gas tracker being at the cap of 16p the whole time... what to do?
 
As much as I think there should have been a windfall tax to pay for the help, rather than making us pay for it, I’m glad my bill isn’t going up too much.
Currently at £90 a month (fix from last year but expires on the 29th September) but will go to £188 less the £400 so £122 a month. Not too bad.
Based on 8665 kWh gas and 3214 kWh electricity.
 
My efforts for cutting back seem to have paid off. £77 total for August, family of four. That's £10.21 gas.
£10.21 gas is only 1kWh/day over the standing charge. Your background electricity use is 3.5kWh/day so for a family of four how do you manage to do all the cooking, washing, hot water etc. on 1kWh of gas and 3kWh of electricity per day?

Hmm, based on the 10.3p gas & 34p electric, the government cap is £38.44/month cheaper than my existing fix, but that's based on the gas tracker being at the cap of 16p the whole time... what to do?
You don't have a fix. You have a tracker with a capped rate.
 
You don't have a fix. You have a tracker with a capped rate.

Semantics - given the obvious volatility and unpredictability of the tracker rates, it's safest to budget by treating it as a 16p fix, and anything lower is a bonus - however, given the small difference between that and the gov. cap (~14% of my monthly average), it's potentially worth taking into consideration when deciding whether to stay on it or not. If my gas usage under the tracker was to average 11.112p then I would be at the break even point.

Obviously that depends on what happens with regards to the promised discounts for fixed rates (and whether they apply to the more unusual tariffs such as Tracker and Go)
 
£10.21 gas is only 1kWh/day over the standing charge. Your background electricity use is 3.5kWh/day so for a family of four how do you manage to do all the cooking, washing, hot water etc. on 1kWh of gas and 3kWh of electricity per day?
Spends nothing on home gas or electricity but orders takeaway every night, takes the washing round the mother-in-law's, showers at work?
 
£10.21 gas is only 1kWh/day over the standing charge. Your background electricity use is 3.5kWh/day so for a family of four how do you manage to do all the cooking, washing, hot water etc. on 1kWh of gas and 3kWh of electricity per day?


You don't have a fix. You have a tracker with a capped rate.

That's not too unbelievable with energy efficient appliances. My daily usage if I don't use the dishwasher and washing machine is ~ 4kWh elec. Using the dishwasher and washing machine once per day raised my average to 6kWh/day and my gas also averages about 5kWh/day mainly for baths and showers. That's with me and my wife WFH 5 days a week too.

Assuming everything is cooked on the hob / microwave or fresh foods then for the summer months that's not much of a stretch.
 
I said gas. What would you have it's do, live in caves?

Wouldn't be a bad idea, caves have a higher temperature during winter than ambient which is a one reason people used to live in 'em it cuts down on the heating bills.

I guess the time to pay the 150bn back depends on how high current prices go and if we pay for energy or not?

If the cost goes below 34p will the government be pocketing the extra or the energy companies?

If the cost goes to (hopefully not!) £2 per kwh then fixing at 34p per kwh is going to take 5 to 6 times long or so to pay back for as long as the prices remain high.

This could be a never ending cycle if in 2 years the cost has rocketed more and the government decides to fix it again.

I don't think blanket fixing the unit price is a good idea and they should have set price ranges. That way everyone gets the same benefit to a point and then only the ones that choose to go over are penalised. It could even be up to 20kwh and then above that you pay the cap price.

They could have invested the eye watering amounts of money in investment in alternative energy supplies, but that would require effort and planning and not be a short term fix at all. "Short term" as in "we don't have a clue if our gamble will pay off or not or rather if we can ever pay it off without lowering the standards of living for future generations"
 
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