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Thats the information which i was after! :) (the second meter being customer owned, ie will be mine - i will bin it then - i obviously wanted to see what someone in the know thought though in case i binned something billable!), thankyou for the reply.

Yes that is all that is installed at the moment - for the current use that small 40A breaker is more than adequate (it is a large agricultural barn which now has C3 change of use and planning for the works) - it only has 2 circuits as you may be able to see from that tiny CU, feeding loads of sockets and lights. The entire install will be ripped out back to the supplier meter as it isnt relevant once converted - i am just happy that it has a working 100A feed at all so that we can hit the ground running without any cost on that front.

Interesting about your later point about them simply splitting the supply within the building - i would still hope that this would give the ability to meter separately (as you say, ideal as the main house can be on a cheap any time, the EVs and perhaps water heating could be on a smart tariff or similar which suited them overnight.


Knowing it's an agricultural building the RCCB makes more sense, moisture levels getting too high would be safer with an RCCB also the step down of 40a it all adds up.

If you Google looped supply there is a PDF from UK Power Networks that explains what a looped supply is, it shows share supply between two premises but the same applies if you want two supplies for one property.

But if you intend doing large works to the property you would be better off seeing how much it would cost to upgrade the concentric from the joint in the road/power line and have a proper 3 phase head installed. Also for large building works you will need a builders supply installed nearest to the edge of the property (this is common on building sites) and have the barn supply disconnected.
 
@Firestar_3x No idea, and it depends what else you have to power, talk it through with the installer. You need to look at what the actual power draw is of the appliance and not just what the breaker size is.

I’d be surprised if the AC is actually drawing the best part of 11kw (nearly 40kw of cooling power!). The swim spa will only be drawing its peak draw when it being heated up from cold/being used. Maintaining the water temp uses a fraction of the power.
 
I was with Bulb for a good few years, and Found they just kept upping the price! so decided to leave, Moved to Octopus and saving £30pm and I get to plant a tree every month haha
 
If you Google looped supply there is a PDF from UK Power Networks that explains what a looped supply is, it shows share supply between two premises but the same applies if you want two supplies for one property..
Googled that, saw the document, yes that makes sense. Would the incoming supply pictured be large enough to support potentially 200A via a 2nd cutout in your opinion? Perhaps avoids ever bothering with 3ph and the associated metering and supplier hassles with that..:) Only slight annoyance is that most of the more substantial AC systems on the market, suitable for whole building heating and cooling, are 3ph.

Another consideration (again, I can’t afford this immediately) is the planning requirement for PV. The neighbour has quite a good one and is near totally self sufficient. (86 panels on their south facing roof). Quite an attractive proposition. I know the basics when it comes to the DNO and larger installations but I need to think about how all of this fits in with only having a single phase at the building…
 
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Are the small amounts of usage shown below simply down to the pilot light, nothing else is using gas at the time...

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Googled that, saw the document, yes that makes sense. Would the incoming supply pictured be large enough to support potentially 200A via a 2nd cutout in your opinion? Perhaps avoids ever bothering with 3ph and the associated metering and supplier hassles with that..:) Only slight annoyance is that most of the more substantial AC systems on the market, suitable for whole building heating and cooling, are 3ph.
Absolutely it's definitely worth the investment if you intending to add AC and car charging.
Another consideration (again, I can’t afford this immediately) is the planning requirement for PV. The neighbour has quite a good one and is near totally self sufficient. (86 panels on their south facing roof). Quite an attractive proposition. I know the basics when it comes to the DNO and larger installations but I need to think about how all of this fits in with only having a single phase at the building…

86 panels has to be a commercial installation with huge amounts of planing consent.

ANY solar installation has to have a battery system installed along side it, this is because of grid saturation during high performance days (British summertime experiences maybe 30 high performance days.) There are government grants available to assist with solar power, solar water, Heat pump and battery storage. I would 100% install a solar water heater and solar PV with battery if I would building a new place long term savings ar going to be huge.
 
Yes, however their website is a ******* mess since ive tried it in 3 different browsers and not one will let me get past stage 2 to get a more accurate quote. So considering i cant even get a quote from them im wondering if i really want to switch to them....

Edit: About the 27th attempt and its now letting me get a quote

That's odd, I genuinely had no problems with their site. I'll send you my referral via trust, feel free to use it if you still need it. :)
 
Are the small amounts of usage shown below simply down to the pilot light, nothing else is using gas at the time...

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How old is your boiler, they haven't had pilot lights for some time. Or maybe do you have instant hot water function turned on where it keeps the boiler hot.
Mine uses 0 most of the time this time of year.
 
How old is your boiler, they haven't had pilot lights for some time. Or maybe do you have instant hot water function turned on where it keeps the boiler hot.
Mine uses 0 most of the time this time of year.

No idea how old. It's a combination boiler, hot water on demand. No storage. It's the same everyday and just curious... Guess I could isolate the gas supply and see what happens?
 
No idea how old. It's a combination boiler, hot water on demand. No storage. It's the same everyday and just curious... Guess I could isolate the gas supply and see what happens?
I guessed it was a combi, they still have an instant hot water feature. Basically keeps the heat exchange hot by firing it up every so often.
 
Whats the thinking on variable vs fixed tariff at the minute? Our current plan is up this month and the unit prices have shot up by nearly 5p per kWh for electricity. Variable plans come out cheaper but I can see energy costs going up further this year. PFP Energy is coming out cheapest for both at the moment, never heard of them though.
 
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Yup, the Brexit effect get use to it!

We still import a large amount of energy prices are only going to increase in the near future.
 
Whats the thinking on variable vs fixed tariff at the minute? Our current plan is up this month and the unit prices have shot up by nearly 5p per kWh for electricity. Variable plans come out cheaper but I can see energy costs going up further this year. PFP Energy is coming out cheapest for both at the moment, never heard of them though.
I went with a supplier recently that I had never heard of. Hub energy. I did a bit of reading just to try and make sure they were ok to deal with and hopefully not likely to go out of business anytime soon. They used to be called Gulf energy I think and rebranded to hub energy. If I remember correctly they are backed by some rich American company so hopefully won't go bust. I signed up for a fixed term if 12 months. I'd rather have a stable price than a not knowing what I might be paying each month even if it could work out a bit cheaper.
So far my dealings with them are fine. I accidentally sent the wrong gas reading to them and sent them a message they got back to me within a few days asking me to take a photo of the meter and send it. They then called me a few days on to explain it was all sorted.
 
This is how much my E on next costs, both unit price and standing charge pictured, and theres also no early exit fee:

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There wasn't any cashback on this switch though, it was just the cheapest dual tariff and no exit fees was tempting enough to switch right away.

I'm pleased I just saw this. I'm with E.ON and my duel fuel tariff finishes on the 8th July and the standing charges and unit rates they're offering me have shot right up. I've just been on uswitch through quidco, but everyone's rates are much higher too. My E.ON tariff at the moment is Fix Online v38, 9.449p per day standing rate for both gas and electric and the electric unit rate is 15.258p and gas is 2.503p. But the new tariff they're offering me is more than twice as much in standing charges, slightly higher gas unit and 19.001 electric unit rate. Every supplier on uswitch is at least that, with most even higher. British Gas was the best but still pretty high compared to your tariff and my current tariff.

Your figures there are much closer to what I'm currently getting and I'd be happy with that NextExclusive v5 tariff. Did you get that by just phoning E.ON? I just called them but they're closed at 5pm. I can call them tomorrow though.
 
I'm pleased I just saw this. I'm with E.ON and my duel fuel tariff finishes on the 8th July and the standing charges and unit rates they're offering me have shot right up. I've just been on uswitch through quidco, but everyone's rates are much higher too. My E.ON tariff at the moment is Fix Online v38, 9.449p per day standing rate for both gas and electric and the electric unit rate is 15.258p and gas is 2.503p. But the new tariff they're offering me is more than twice as much in standing charges, slightly higher gas unit and 19.001 electric unit rate. Every supplier on uswitch is at least that, with most even higher. British Gas was the best but still pretty high compared to your tariff and my current tariff.

Your figures there are much closer to what I'm currently getting and I'd be happy with that NextExclusive v5 tariff. Did you get that by just phoning E.ON? I just called them but they're closed at 5pm. I can call them tomorrow though.

Switch exclusive I think, used whichever switching website. Existing customers get the worst deals.

British Gas wanted to charge me more than standing charge to stay with them, and wouldn't even believe the unit rates on the plan I switched too and straight up said I must be mistaken, no plan could currently be that cheap.
 
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