Your last sentiment I fully concur with.
England and Wales are no longer Christian nations...
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Your last sentiment I fully concur with.
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Actually its more the books that come with it to be honest.
No chance atheists will stand for a tiny religious minority trying to dictate what we can all eat. Nobody is taking bacon away from me without a fight.
Personally I think that the thought processes and fallacious reasoning that it encourages can have quite damaging knock on effects in real life also.
If you've been trained from birth to cling on to extraordinary beliefs without evidence, then you're susceptible to exploitation of that fact.
Hence the existence of cults, conmen, magic woo medicine, crystal nonsense... Oh, and don't forget Brexit.
I have long thought the church has far too much involvement in our state affairs - propped up of course by our Royalty and Politicians who go rushing to Westminster Abbey at the drop of a hat.
The day religion has no part in anything cant come soon enough.
The day religion has no part in anything cant come soon enough.
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Personally I think that the thought processes and fallacious reasoning that it encourages can have quite damaging knock on effects in real life also.
If you've been trained from birth to cling on to extraordinary beliefs without evidence, then you're susceptible to exploitation of that fact.
Hence the existence of cults, conmen, magic woo medicine, crystal nonsense... Oh, and don't forget Brexit.
At least I can prove Brexit exists...
I think he meant the Good Brexit where the UK was a world power on its own.
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Also, for all those people worried about Muslims being such a massive majority it impacts their (descendants) lives (lol). Perhaps 'white uk' people should start practising more tolerance just in case being ****s to the minority in this country becomes a cultural thing.
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Now you're just changing the goalposts - standard apologetics...
Britain is widely regarded as one of the most tolerant nations to its immigrants. All we ask is that they assimilate well and are tolerant to others, treating women as equals and not discriminating against the LGBT community whilst in our country.
It is to be hoped that by several more generations religion will be but a damp squib restricted to a tiny minority of adherents.
It’s a tad off topic, but how are you measuring that? I can think of several measures that would indicate the precise opposite, so I’m wondering what evidence you’ve used to form that conclusion.
This is indeed a massive can of worms, see the thread about whether the Royal something or other was racist or not.
Tolerance is a very subjective thing these days.
Oh it absolutely exists.
But it’s a great example of the real world damage that the exploitation of wishful or comforting belief, without evidence, can do.
But anyway, it was a joke.
Yes you’re right. Sorry.
Hagar, even though I would absolutely be interested in your response, don’t worry about answering my question here, we should probably keep this thread on topic.
Feel free to message me separately though.
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Oh it absolutely exists.
But it’s a great example of the real world damage that the exploitation of wishful or comforting belief, without evidence, can do.
But anyway, it was a joke.
So was my reply - not opening up the can of brexit worms on this thread too though...
It's already a "cultural thing" in almost all religions. Certainly all the Abrahamic ones, which are particularly authoritarian. So your victim-blaming is particularly pointless because it won't matter what we do or don't do.
Also, it doesn't require a majority to rule a country. History is full of examples of that. In fact, it could be argued that no country has ever been ruled by the majority.
Angillion gets it.
It's not me being a nazi saying what I say.
It's me being a realist and looking how it will evolve just look historically.
Do I really care? No. It's impossible to realistically change without some very nasty political action. No one's ever going to go that route in the uk.
Let's toast the decline of the Christian west as the orchestra plays and the atheists get to the lifeboats. Problem is what's replacing it is a much harder line and intolerant one, which will reset human enlightenment back a hundred years.
This is just an observation dear reader. There is no need to signal just how tolerant and unreligious you are. Our inaction and non part in the game is akin to not voting at an election then moaning the Tories got in again....
The future is a fascinating place for sure.
I see it more Chinese though for sure.
me personally I was hoping for some kind of eco-democratic socialism future, maybe that's why I get on in Sweden.....climate issues seem a bit meh these days after COVID and now with a potential ww3 peaking in through the curtains .
Have you seen the cost of rapeseed cooking oil lately? Scandalous.
It's not me being a nazi saying what I say.
It's me being a realist and looking how it will evolve just look historically.
Do I really care? No. It's impossible to realistically change without some very nasty political action. No one's ever going to go that route in the uk.
Let's toast the decline of the Christian west as the orchestra plays and the atheists get to the lifeboats. Problem is what's replacing it is a much harder line and intolerant one, which will reset human enlightenment back a hundred years.
This is just an observation dear reader. There is no need to signal just how tolerant and unreligious you are. Our inaction and non part in the game is akin to not voting at an election then moaning the Tories got in again....
The future is a fascinating place for sure.
I see it more Chinese though for sure.
me personally I was hoping for some kind of eco-democratic socialism future, maybe that's why I get on in Sweden.....climate issues seem a bit meh these days after COVID and now with a potential ww3 peaking in through the curtains .
Have you seen the cost of rapeseed cooking oil lately? Scandalous.
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Dear Efour you're writing your fantasies not any kind of description of reality.
Who is replacing who?
Lets get the graph up and see.
See that measly line at the bottom for muslims, is that what you're thinking is taking control. Compare that to the crushing increase in having no religion and feel free to explain your belief that atheists are getting to the lifeboats when it's abundantly clear that Christianity enforced by punishment over hundreds of years is being thrown in the bin and replaced with nothing.
Dear Efour you're writing your fantasies not any kind of description of reality.
Who is replacing who?
Lets get the graph up and see.
See that measly line at the bottom for muslims, is that what you're thinking is taking control. Compare that to the crushing increase in having no religion and feel free to explain your belief that atheists are getting to the lifeboats when it's abundantly clear that Christianity enforced by punishment over hundreds of years is being thrown in the bin and replaced with nothing.
Demographics would like a word with you. Muslims typically dominate the lower age ranges. They have significantly more children on average. And the biggest part is its repressive nature, people cannot/will not leave Islam as its a political system as much as its a ideology.
Oh and the fact that the real numbers are definitely higher, just like the fact that supermarkets calculated the real population is higher...
But okay, take those numbers. It was a 44% increase? That would mean a population within two census time of nearly 8,000,000 and 11,300,000 within 3.
Just because Christianity is declining for atheism has no bearing on above unless there had been a corresponding decrease for Islam.....which there wasnt...
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I can think of measures that support what I am suggesting, however it is a contentiously argued point not relating to this topic. Europe wide, we are not an outlier, that is all I will say.