England Euro 2020 Squad Chat

[omnomnom]

There's reports today that Southgate's not going to pick Trent. I may not watch any of the euros this summer (I probably will actually but only because there's nothing else on) and I'm all for Liverpool players having a summer off but that would be one of the worst decisions made by an England manager in my lifetime, probably the worst actually. Alongside Kane, Trent is the only truly world class player England have. I'm not sure if something has happened behind the scenes or if Southgate is just mental.

Then frankly he's an idiot.

 

[omnomnom]

Maybe he's been asked not to include him because he could do with a break and we'll probably bomb out in the groups anyway, given expectations will be high following a semi final appearance in the WC

I highly doubt anyone would do that.

 

[omnomnom]

Keepers: Pickford, Pope, Henderson (1)
Defenders: Trent, Wan Bissaka, Walker, Stones, Maguire, Mings, James, Shaw, Chilwell
Midfield: Hendo, Rice, Phillips, Bellingham, Foden, Mount, Grealish, Saka
Forwards: Sancho, Sterling, Rashford, Kane, DCL, Greenwood.

It's an exciting looking squad. In an ideal world I'd love to see Mount Grealish and Foden play in the same team but it just wouldn't flow well.

Are you playing 3 at the back? If so id add another cb for AWB

 

[omnomnom]

16 goals and 20 assists sancho has to start surely...

 

[omnomnom]

Not saying I agree with it but Mount is every boss’ golden child.

Oh ai yea i get it but its again, Sancho is levels above but because the majority dont see him play weekly he isnt considered.

 

[omnomnom]

I cant say i watch City a lot but when he does start isnt it off the left?

For me you have to fit Sancho in somewhere.

 

[omnomnom]

It shows how mad that Trent story is when we have fans of various teams in this forum all putting him at least in the squad. The redcafe thread also says he should be in.

 

[omnomnom]

For all the talk about Trent defensively I see AWB get caught napping like that all the time.

 

[omnomnom]

Announced today then....well sort of. Looks like it'll be a 30 man provisional squad then cut to 26.

Just name the squad like everyone else has.

 

[omnomnom]

Probably wants to see his City, Utd and Chelsea picks finish the season first.

Then have back ups like every squad has before.

 

[omnomnom]

Ben Godfrey in the squad.

 

[omnomnom]

Did the Sky reporter just say England have 4 world class CBs?

England have one world class defender and he'll leave him behind.

33 man squad is ridiculous tbh. He should be naming his 26!

 

[omnomnom]

I think he'll play Sterling on the left of a three tbh

 

[omnomnom]

I've just read a quote where he says he might play Trent Arnold on the wing. So does that hint at a 3-5-2?

Trent is fine at rb...just play him rb.

 

[omnomnom]

If we play a back 5 then Southgate is again an idiot.

Assists (RBs)

Trent Alexander Arnold: 7
Aaron Wan-Bissaka: 4
Reece James: 2
Kyle Walker: 1

This is a poor season assist wise for Trent and he still has the same as all of the others put together. More PL assists then Walker in his career.

 

[omnomnom]

Southgate doesn't give a toss about assists from fullbacks, it's all about being defensively sound and fairly boring with him. He thinks he can win a competition being pragmatic but you need to take risks if you don't have the best squad.

I'm probably going to switch the games off if he sets up how I think he will as it will be your standard 90 minute England performance trying to scrape a 1-0.

If you play 5 at the back you want a fella on the right who can actually pass though. Going off rumours Greenwood isnt going either but thats due to injury apparently.

 

[omnomnom]

Yup, Greenwood is out which is a shame for him, but maybe it'll help Southgate a little bit.

Trent not going would be a shambles, yes he's not as good defensively but we should have enough quality to not struggle against some of the teams there! We need him playing balls to Kane

He is more then good enough defensively tho...i really dont get where that opinion comes from tbh. His stats have him right up there and thats with absolute shambles Liverpool have had a cb this season.

 

[omnomnom]

I get that, and I'd rather have him being the first choice, but I don't think you can deny he is probably the worst defensively (not saying he's a bad defender, btw) which I imagine that's Gareth's only focus

He has the highest tackle success rate out of the 4 there. He isn't as bad as people make him out to be defensively and like ive said, his role in a back 5 would be to attack down that side. Not taking a player of his ability over someone like James is just stupid to be honest.

Trent is number one in the whole league for the following :

Passes into the penalty box

Crosses into the penalty box

Progressive passes

Progressive passing distance

He's 6th in key passes, 5th for expected assists and 6th for through balls.

 

[omnomnom]

None of that matters to Southgate.

In terms of defensive stats, he has the lowest tackle success per 90 mins, the lowest tackles won in the defensive 1/3, the lowest number of blocks and the most errors leading to a goal.

Our fullbacks are the focal points of our attacks at Liverpool and have the freedom of the pitch, for England they're there to defend and probably won't be allowed out of their own half.

Infogol stats are saying he has the best success rate of the four at 74%?

 

[omnomnom]

Really we are discussing assists for a defender because TAA gets more than the other RB's. Leighton Baines used to get more than Ashley Cole. You can quote all the stats you want for tackles made or assists but that doesn't tell you how many times he been poorly positioned or made bad judgement calls. You can make 160 tackles in a match but can then make 2 bad errors that led to goals.

For whatever reason Southgate and his team aren't interested in setting up a side worrying about TTA assists, especially the creative players we now have in the middle. Or something has gone on behind the scenes we don't know about.

Statistics, again look at these from 2013 for Baines vs Cole.

https://www.threelionsroar.com/2013/10/26/5029612/leighton-baines-v-ashley-cole-a-statistical-look

Baines blocked more shots
Won more tackles
Created 116 chances compares to coles 17

But like everything else in this thread I've cherry picked the stats that suit because only a mad man would consider Baines in the same class as Cole.

We are discussing assists as its likely he will play 3 at the back. Its a relevant stat.