England somehow rise in FIFA rankings...

Xavi, no goals, no assists no successful crosses. Same with Torres. Doesn't mean a thing. Especially considering Pedro came in to fill a gap, he did well tbh. Still, a bad WC at 22 means nothing especially when he wasn't even first choice yet.

Rooney is literally awful as he had a MUCH worse wc than Pedro, horrendously worse in fact, they're not comparable

It's perfectly fine for you to think he had a disappointing world cup, although I'd disagree, but it's very wrong to judge him as a player based on that, which is what you appeared to be doing.
 
Rooney is literally awful as he had a MUCH worse wc than Pedro, horrendously worse in fact, they're not comparable

yea my point is we should have dropped rooney.

but the manager did not, hence it was bad management. it could have cost us the tournament, amongst other clangers like bringing heskey on etc.
 
Rooney wasn't the problem though imo, he got no service, no striker would have done much better, certainly none we had! England don't exactly make life easy for their strikers due to a very ordinary midfield who create bugger all game after game

The problem feels much bigger than just replacing a player or two, the style of the team is wrong and feels constantly uneasy and disjointed. I don't think replacing our best player will improve the team, even if he's not on form.
 
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again another manager misnomer, play 3 central midfielders who dont have any pace at all.. and we paid the ultimate price when Ozil walked past Barry and ran away to set up a goal. swap barry for lampard or gerard and ozil would still have walked away with it. it even looked like the england player had a 2 yard start but it also looked like he started running backwards at the important moment,

who plays 3 centre midfielders and wins? spain. when they all can play, pass the ball well to each other and have wingers outside of them.
 
That's what I mean, the problem isn't just switching a few players around, the team needs a really good looking at by somebody much more qualified than me, lack of chances is just one of many issues with the team
 
no but come on, any time he got the ball ANYWHERE on the pitch he could literally do NOTHING right. it was like he had wooden legs for the tournament. when that happens you have to take him off, not continue to let him look terrible.
 
Firstly, no you don't expect USA to be ranked above Spain for beating them in the confed cup, though I do expect they should go up the rankings more for beating Spain, than beating Slovenia.

Isn't Slovenia just about the best team we've beaten in the past 2 years, and, we had our worst ever loss in the World Cup right after it, and drew against two sides of which one was average and one was ridiculously bad. WE beat Croatia the only worthwhile team we've beaten in two years, and they should rightly be ranked FAR down the tables, but they aren't, the tables are based on history and not reality, the tables have NEVER ever been even close to an accurate barometer of CURRENT team quality. England beat Slovenia, and they aren't close to in the top 16 that were at the tournament, we drew against top teams one who should rank outside the top 64 in the world, and one who might rank in the top 20.


As for Pedro, goals alone don't tell the story, he is all no end product, he's largely a tap in artist, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he's a rotten cheat aswell and goal tally isn't as meaningful as if he scored 23 while playing for a bottom 3 side. He was playing for a team that easily utterly destroyed almost every side in their league, with even the worst teams in the league quite happy to play all out attack leaving massive room for goals.

Pedro is ok, nothing more than that, and he wasn't fast tracked into the side for any other reason than Guardiola(or someone at the club's) racism. Busquets is quite frankly awful, he's a huge cheat, can't tackle, awful positioning and pretty weak with zero vision. Yaya, and Marquez are 10 times the player Busquets are, Henry had a better season in their champs league winning year than Pedro had last year. There is no way in hell any other team in the world drops Henry(check his stats for the year before last) for a Rookie with no goals, nor drops Yaya for Busquets either.

AS for people blaming Rooney, theres some truth there but not a lot. Too many people think only the English press give our players a hard time and put pressure on, its because we don't see the foreign press. Did anyone see the team come off the plane in Brazil, they were utterly mobbed by press. Every top player is under the same pressure from their home countries press/fans, thats life, its not an excuse.

But there is something to be said about him simply getting very very little of the ball which is true. Not getting the ball is not a reason to have a go at him, however when he did get the ball he didn't even show a hint of danger. RVP got none of the ball in general, but when he got it, he put in some great turns, created a couple goals with great passes and held it up when possible, his team was dire though and the two ball diving cheaters refused to pass, get the ball, run to 30yards out, shoot... sums up the dutch world cup basically.

Rooney really didn't do well the few touches he got, but had he been given the ball more and the team looked better, his nervousness would likely have passed rather than gotten worse as the team got worse. The midfield underperformed, as did the defence, to a far worse level than Rooney did, they had a lot of the ball so literally no excuse for how bad they were.
 
That was strange but Sky hugely over rate their assets, as good as we're told Rooney's technique is, there are many players who are much more gifted, so it's not really a massive surprise
 
again another manager misnomer, play 3 central midfielders who dont have any pace at all.. and we paid the ultimate price when Ozil walked past Barry and ran away to set up a goal. swap barry for lampard or gerard and ozil would still have walked away with it. it even looked like the england player had a 2 yard start but it also looked like he started running backwards at the important moment,

who plays 3 centre midfielders and wins? spain. when they all can play, pass the ball well to each other and have wingers outside of them.

Rubbish, one of the slowest players at the cup, Gilberto Silva, was probably the best DM on show throughout, and in the confed cup aswell. Its NOTHING to do with pace, its not that Barry couldn't keep up, Ozil isn't particularly fast, he didn't READ the game, he didn't see the run coming and match it, he simply didn't track back any runs into the box at all, he could be the fastest player in the world, if you aren't running in the right direction you still won't do well.

Its also harsh to have a go at Barry for being poor defensively, again, Barry, his manager's, the other players at the club all openly say he's not the defensive midfielder, the fact that once upon a time he played left back does not make him a defensive midfielder. Denilson looked like Cesc mk2 back when he was a practiced attacking central midfielder, since he's been asked to do a different role, his passing ability has gone to crap. Theres nothing even close to defensive about Barrys game, nor Gerrards and Lampards best role is as a creative attacking midfielder passing players in behind. We played 3 central attacking midfielders, one of which, in Barry, is just not very good at all, one who was completely misused and one whose used to playing in a team built around himself, who likes a free role and has zero discipline, they looked in trouble 2 years ago, in the cup and still wouldn't work, and the manager, who could see how poorly they played together, ignored it because we beat some of the worst teams in Europe despite how bad they were.
 
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Firstly, no you don't expect USA to be ranked above Spain for beating them in the confed cup, though I do expect they should go up the rankings more for beating Spain, than beating Slovenia.

Isn't Slovenia just about the best team we've beaten in the past 2 years, and, we had our worst ever loss in the World Cup right after it, and drew against two sides of which one was average and one was ridiculously bad. WE beat Croatia the only worthwhile team we've beaten in two years, and they should rightly be ranked FAR down the tables, but they aren't, the tables are based on history and not reality, the tables have NEVER ever been even close to an accurate barometer of CURRENT team quality. England beat Slovenia, and they aren't close to in the top 16 that were at the tournament, we drew against top teams one who should rank outside the top 64 in the world, and one who might rank in the top 20.


As for Pedro, goals alone don b't tell the story, he is all no end product, he's largely a tap in artist, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he's a rotten cheat aswell and goal tally isn't as meaningful as if he scored 23 while playing for a bottom 3 side. He was playing for a team that easily utterly destroyed almost every side in their league, with even the worst teams in the league quite happy to play all out attack leaving massive room for goals.

Pedro is ok, nothing more than that, and he wasn't fast tracked into the side for any other reason than Guardiola(or someone at the club's) racism. Busquets is quite frankly awful, he's a huge cheat, can't tackle, awful positioning and pretty weak with zero vision. Yaya, and Marquez are 10 times the player Busquets are, Henry had a better season in their champs league winning year than Pedro had last year. There is no way in hell any other team in the world drops Henry(check his stats for the year before last) for a Rookie with no goals, nor drops Yaya for Busquets either.

AS for people blaming Rooney, theres some truth there but not a lot. Too many people think only the English press give our players a hard time and put pressure on, its because we don't see the foreign press. Did anyone see the team come off the plane in Brazil, they were utterly mobbed by press. Every top player is under the same pressure from their home countries press/fans, thats life, its not an excuse.

But there is something to be said about him simply getting very very little of the ball which is true. Not getting the ball is not a reason to have a go at him, however when he did get the ball he didn't even show a hint of danger. RVP got none of the ball in general, but when he got it, he put in some great turns, created a couple goals with great passes and held it up when possible, his team was dire though and the two ball diving cheaters refused to pass, get the ball, run to 30yards out, shoot... sums up the dutch world cup basically.

Rooney really didn't do well the few touches he got, but had he been given the ball more and the team looked better, his nervousness would likely have passed rather than gotten worse as the team got worse. The midfield underperformed, as did the defence, to a far worse level than Rooney did, they had a lot of the ball so literally no excuse for how bad they were.

you should just post in the graphics forum because when it comes to football you do post crap. Perdro was fast tracked because Guardiola coached him in the b side and new he was very good. Didn't know that using home grown players was racism. You bang on about cheating, allong being an arsenal fan, a team that seems to be followed by a group snipers, its like playing bad company 2
 
As for Pedro, goals alone don b't tell the story, he is all no end product, he's largely a tap in artist, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he's a rotten cheat aswell and goal tally isn't as meaningful as if he scored 23 while playing for a bottom 3 side. He was playing for a team that easily utterly destroyed almost every side in their league, with even the worst teams in the league quite happy to play all out attack leaving massive room for goals.

you've done it now. the people in here seem to have a love affair with the 23 goals he scored. not that they actually saw them go in, and blatantly ignore the arsenal matches AND the world cup matches,

i said he can dribble but thats not enough. apparently he is 10 times the man nani is.
 
no.

clearly anyone who brings on Heskey to boost our attacking flair has absolutely no idea what they are doing.

and look at Spain, Torres is easily as good as Rooney, yet Spain were clearly strong enough mentally to just drop Torres for the big matches altogether. Rooney was terrible in every match and got started in every match.

what happened to picking a player on form?

Capello picked on reputation/god knows what criteria to get Heskey there.

we got it wrong in game 1 and continued to get it wrong for the next 4 games.

that is bad management. I'm sorry but it is.

Clearly Capello knows how well Rooney can play and he gave him the benefit of the doubt. He gambled on Rooney picking up his form if he scored a goal.

Heskey was obviously there as a target man only, everyone and his dog knows he won't be winning the golden boot, but due to his size and strength he has the ability to cause some problems, even if it's just hoofing the ball at his head hoping for a fortuitous rebound
 
for 4 straight matches where you are barely scoring a single goal per game? in a tournament you cannot afford to do that. or you will get dumped out.

oh wait, thats exactly what happened to us.
 
alternatively you may have missed the world cup. it was a large tournament hosted in South Africa. Spain won, despite Pedro. maybe check out some matches see if pedro set the world alight or whether he did nothing much at all.

anyone rewatched arsenal vs barca yet?
 
Its a bit surprsing but results wise we didnt lose to a lower placed team, we drew with a team a few places above us (USA) drew with a team in the top 20 and beat a team who was in the top 30. If you also consider the results prior to the world cup the 3-1 win against Mexico and 2-1 win against Japan all count to the score, the only "bad" result was the loss to germany. The scoring system is strange as the 1-0 against Slovenia is worth twice the amount of points Portugal got beating North Korea 7-0.
 
alternatively you may have missed the world cup. it was a large tournament hosted in South Africa. Spain won, despite Pedro. maybe check out some matches see if pedro set the world alight or whether he did nothing much at all.

anyone rewatched arsenal vs barca yet?

Just watch that youtube video, some of those goals are insane, without mentioning he's literally just started learning the game at the highest level. Can you imagine any of England's breakthrough attackers scoring even a quarter of those goals in a season and of that quality? I think not.
 
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