England V India ***Clash of the Heavyweights*** Test, T20 and ODI Series

TheCenturion said:
Let's be serious eh? India missing the key batsman and bowler, and in the 2nd innings had to reshuffle their batting order because one was injured and the other was ill. In all honesty, I'm very proud that India held out for so long. It would have been a surprise for England not to win.

In terms of today's play, most of the time, they weren't great wickets. Just horrible mistakes from batsmen. Dravid played at one that he shouldn't have, so did Dhoni, possible Harbhajan too. Laxman just popped it up nicely in the air to gift his wicket again. Gambhir got a good ball, so did Sachin and Kumar.

Honestly I thought Tremlett bowled well, but for me the other bowlers were pretty average.

However, I think that England outplayed India on every single day. I think that India's downfall was just all the mistakes that they made, just too many of them.

Not happy at the moment, not happy at all right now :(
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The indian evangelion:p At least you don't hide after a loss, fair play.
I think the biggest quality of this england side is the ability to kill teams off when needed which is down to the bowlers. THe famous engand batting colopase seems a thing off the past.
 
sigma said:
We'll ignore the 62-5 then shall we? :p
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LOL...England will always have a few batting collapses but it seems they are now far and few in between, which is a good thing...since Flower and Strauss were made coach and captain, England have been on a roll. 5 yrs ago and no one would have ever thought England would be beating the likes of India or Australia for that matter.
 
bigredshark said:
That's a little unfair, they faught very hard and were down a bowler after the first day. They're a good side and england had to fight very hard for that win, they deserve it but there's no bad reflection on India, they were good but england were slightly better and recovered better from their setbacks.
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That is the risk you take when you turn up with only 4 frontline bowlers.
 
Spawn said:
LOL...England will always have a few batting collapses but it seems they are now far and few in between, which is a good thing...since Flower and Strauss were made coach and captain, England have been on a roll. 5 yrs ago and no one would have ever thought England would be beating the likes of India or Australia for that matter.
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5 years ago we'd beaten Australia the year before. :p
 
TheCenturion said:
Honestly I thought Tremlett bowled well, but for me the other bowlers were pretty average.

However, I think that England outplayed India on every single day. I think that India's downfall was just all the mistakes that they made, just too many of them.

Not happy at the moment, not happy at all right now :(
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Come off it. Broad bowled brilliantly throughout the game and whilst Anderson wasn't at his very best, he still got a fivefer. If India had batted first, England's bowlers would have made a right mess of India's batting lineup.

The reason they made those mistakes was down to one thing - building pressure, from bowling good lines and lengths. Batsmen like Dravid don't hang their bat out at a ball like that unless someone has been bowling well!
 
oli collett said:
Come off it. Broad bowled brilliantly throughout the game and whilst Anderson wasn't at his very best, he still got a fivefer. If India had batted first, England's bowlers would have made a right mess of India's batting lineup.

The reason they made those mistakes was down to one thing - building pressure, from bowling good lines and lengths.
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There it is. Take note of this TheCenturion, you might learn something about cricket rather than blaming it all on injuries and bad luck.

And as mentioned, there's the fact that England would have won much earlier if it wasn't for at least one terrible umpiring decision. Now that IS down to luck!

By the end of the test though, the Indians must have been wondering why one earth they chose to remove the LBW appeal from the process.
 
The England player interviews really are so annoying. The one that gets me is.... "as a unit". Every single time you hear them talking they bang on all the same nonsense.
 
oli collett said:
Come off it. Broad bowled brilliantly throughout the game and whilst Anderson wasn't at his very best, he still got a fivefer. If India had batted first, England's bowlers would have made a right mess of India's batting lineup.

The reason they made those mistakes was down to one thing - building pressure, from bowling good lines and lengths. Batsmen like Dravid don't hang their bat out at a ball like that unless someone has been bowling well!
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I thought broad bowled well in the first innings, but not in the 2nd. About 20 odd times, I called whether he'd bowl it full or short and I was right nearly all the time.

I agree with you that India would have been absolutely raped if they had been put into bat.

Honestly I thought tremlett was the best bowler. It looked like the other two Pacers generated some play-and-miss, but in reality they were just leaves. With tremlett, the extra bounce he got genuinely troubled the batsmen, even tendulkar at times.

Yes, while England played better, surely you can see that victory was made significantly easier for them with the loss of two players and injury/illness to two others?
regarding those problems: sehwag's was unlucky and is a chronic problem, but India had the opportunity to cover for it with mukund, who came in and did a good job IMO. With zaheer, that was a huge blow, but was down to poor preparation and organization, leaving India with 3 frontline bowlers. With gambhir and sachin, that was very unlucky and couldn't have been planned for, so in the circumstances they covered pretty well. And for gambhir tto come in and play as he did shows what a soldier he is. Well played to him.

Don't get me wrong, England was the better team each and every day, but they got some assistance along the way.
 
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Hamster said:
I watched parts of the evening session and I seem to remember a DRS status (England 0 reviews, India 2 reviews). Was I imagining it? I thought there was no DRS in this game.

-edit: I see that it's a limited DRS and not for lbw decisions:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/content/story/523933.html
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Yeah, I think you can only use the DRS for edges/catches now, which means that England pretty much wasted theirs on no hopers, since there was little else to save the reviews for.

ringo747 said:
The England player interviews really are so annoying. The one that gets me is.... "as a unit". Every single time you hear them talking they bang on all the same nonsense.
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Yeah, their interviews are 99% corporate-speak now aren't they? I blame Andy Flower. :p
 
I can't believe the next test is only on Friday. Handy for England, given the injuries to India*, but it all seems too soon.

*Though, as I've said before, I'd much rather face a full strength India than a weakened one. Cheapens the victory slightly.
 
Nice batting from England with some concise bowling is what won them this test, India were shocking in both areas.

Robbie G said:
Cheapens yes, but the worst part is listening to all the excuses from the Indian fans.
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Not really excuses though are they. England did the same with all the "having lots of tours before the World Cup and fatiguing our players"

England are at home with a pretty much fully fit squad and against a team with 2 key players injured and 2 with slight illnesses.

If we don't see an England win or two by fairly big margins then I'd be unhappy!
 
Whatever they are, they're just reasons to avoid saying that England played well, as that is what discussion always revolves around instead of the quality of the cricket. It's a shame.
 
Robbie G said:
Whatever they are, they're just reasons to avoid saying that England played well, as that is what discussion always revolves around instead of the quality of the cricket. It's a shame.
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Are you reading the same forum?

I see plenty of posts saying England outplayed India.
 
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