England vs Hungary - When did sportsmen stop playing sport?
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Burned_Alive said:
My friend:-
a) I don't support a team, yet it frustrated the hell out of me. A professional sportman who is supposedly representing the peak of the game, in a friendly match, resorting to that sort of nonsense?
b) If it had been for the world cup I still would not want to see him doing it... It's a game... Nothing more... Play fair! Acting like that makes us look as stupid as the other teams that resort to it.
FIFA should start bringing action post-match!
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Soldato
Well I'm from Ireland, so don't overly care how England do. However, if they do win it via cheating I would be disappointed. Maradonna's handball seriously devalues their victory in 86 IMO.
Associate
why jump on the floor when you have a chance for scoring a goal for your country?
thats all i ask!
I know which choice i'd take, and it wouldn't be chucking myself on the floor!
thats all i ask!
I know which choice i'd take, and it wouldn't be chucking myself on the floor!
Soldato
We can argue about cheating all night long, but until the authorities start dishing out proper fines/bans, it will continue.
Having said that, I hate it, no matter what club the cheater comes from and hope someone does have the bottle to stamp it out, NOW!!!
Having said that, I hate it, no matter what club the cheater comes from and hope someone does have the bottle to stamp it out, NOW!!!
Big Kev said:
I concur! Why with all the video footage these days, FIFA cannot dish out bans/fines after a match in clear cases I do not know... You'd soon see player being able to overcome that strange gravitational increase in the box.
Caporegime
some real foul play going on in those video's. gerrard is as guilty as any foreigner for bringing the game into disrepute. good player ot not.
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Tesla said:
It is stupid but from a different point of view do you not think that with the vast amounts of money wafting about in football and the outrageous prices people have to pay to watch they are atleast entitled to a genuine result. Divers etc should be banned for 3-4games and the use of video during games should also be allowed. No more was it over the line , was he offside , did he elbow him ?? People deserve a proper result.
Bleh, I'll repeat.
In this instance, Gerrard was removing his legs from the studs of both feet of that hungarian guy.
If it had connected it would be a penalty as it was a ridiculous tackle, especially in the box. If you can get the penalty without losing your place in the world cup squad that year due to injury in a friendly, then why not jump out of the way?
The defender was cheating in that he was trying to harm Gerrard who had an opportunity on goal.
If you're willing to jump into a tackle like he did, you're going to give away a free kick, no questions asked, whether it connects or not. He was in no way going for the ball.
Fair enough it was exaggerated, but both his feet had to be off the ground to avoid the approaching feet, and with no support, he was bound to collapse
You try staying up with no connection to the ground. 
It seems like everyone is trying to have a dig at Gerrard and using this as an excuse.
To me diving is when with minimal contact you go down, a light brush or something (A la Drogba)
In this case, it was jumping to evade injury which is a natural thing to do.
Would it be fair if he managed to stay up after jumping out the way to avoid the defender's feet and lost the ball, when he would have had a chance on goal if it hadn't happened?
It wasn't a proper tackle whatsoever.
In this instance, Gerrard was removing his legs from the studs of both feet of that hungarian guy.
If it had connected it would be a penalty as it was a ridiculous tackle, especially in the box. If you can get the penalty without losing your place in the world cup squad that year due to injury in a friendly, then why not jump out of the way?
The defender was cheating in that he was trying to harm Gerrard who had an opportunity on goal.
If you're willing to jump into a tackle like he did, you're going to give away a free kick, no questions asked, whether it connects or not. He was in no way going for the ball.
Fair enough it was exaggerated, but both his feet had to be off the ground to avoid the approaching feet, and with no support, he was bound to collapse
You try staying up with no connection to the ground. It seems like everyone is trying to have a dig at Gerrard and using this as an excuse.
To me diving is when with minimal contact you go down, a light brush or something (A la Drogba)
In this case, it was jumping to evade injury which is a natural thing to do.
Would it be fair if he managed to stay up after jumping out the way to avoid the defender's feet and lost the ball, when he would have had a chance on goal if it hadn't happened?
It wasn't a proper tackle whatsoever.
But he wasn't evading injury, after the dive he turned around to see if he was getting a penalty, he didn't even seem concerned about the defender who was about to tackle him.
And how can you call that jumping? He dove to the ground as if he was being shot at. And the foot that the defender would have made contact with, Gerrard moved it in a way that suggested there was contact when in fact there was NO contact whatsoever.
I see clearly from your posts, that there is one rule for other players who take a dive, and a completely different interpretation of it when Gerrard takes a dive like last night.
And how can you call that jumping? He dove to the ground as if he was being shot at. And the foot that the defender would have made contact with, Gerrard moved it in a way that suggested there was contact when in fact there was NO contact whatsoever.
I see clearly from your posts, that there is one rule for other players who take a dive, and a completely different interpretation of it when Gerrard takes a dive like last night.
Soldato
georges said:
You're having a laugh. Yes it was a late challenge, but only because Gerrand did very well to dink the ball out the way. Watch it again and you will see he could have easily stayed on his feet, and he would've if it was in the middle of the park.
I'm not condemning him for diving, I couldn't give a monkeys but to say it's not a dive is madness.
Watch the slow-mo here, after about 50 secs http://youtube.com/watch?v=hmIDBOt6x7I
For me, there's exaggerating the movements etc to emulate being hit when you're jumping out the way as an act of self-preservation, and there's just collapsing.
He obviously was trying to get a penalty, but at the same time he was fouled so deserved the penalty.
On other occasions I guess it was just a didier he did
p), I haven't seen them but I'll do a youtube search then. It's not gerrard fanaticism, but it's that I believe it to be justified.
He was in the penalty area and he was doing what woudl have happened had he been caught by the guys tackle if his feet were still on the ground, which while not particularly good, is better than having an injured gerrard.
In my opinion, there's a large difference between collapsing after an injury-evasion and just collapsing after a minor brush or weak challenge.
What I saw was the former, which in this case I thought was acceptable, despite the lack of contact. He still had to jump to miss the contact and thus lose posession.
He obviously was trying to get a penalty, but at the same time he was fouled so deserved the penalty.
On other occasions I guess it was just a didier he did
p), I haven't seen them but I'll do a youtube search then. It's not gerrard fanaticism, but it's that I believe it to be justified.He was in the penalty area and he was doing what woudl have happened had he been caught by the guys tackle if his feet were still on the ground, which while not particularly good, is better than having an injured gerrard.
In my opinion, there's a large difference between collapsing after an injury-evasion and just collapsing after a minor brush or weak challenge.
What I saw was the former, which in this case I thought was acceptable, despite the lack of contact. He still had to jump to miss the contact and thus lose posession.
Tru said:
When I see that, I see him falling over because he's had to kick his legs out of the way of that tackle, whcih should definately be a penalty.
That challenge is ridiculous, he's jumped two feet together, late, completely off the ground as if he's sitting in a rowing boat. It would have been a penalty whether he dived or not, although after watching a few times, it isn't much of a dive though tbh.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wFOOmGHmKcs&search=drogba dive
This is diving, gerrard didn't do that.
Soldato
The player was going for the ball, he was in mid tackle when Gerrard skinned him, it was a horrible challenge but Gerrard evaded it brilliantly. I don't know why he dived, he still had control and was in position to score.
You don't kick you legs out of the way like that, the natural instinct is to retract them towards your body. Watch it! His legs are out of the way of the tackle, THEN he decides to kick them backwards and fall over.
edit: I've not watched your video because it's irrelevant.
You don't kick you legs out of the way like that, the natural instinct is to retract them towards your body. Watch it! His legs are out of the way of the tackle, THEN he decides to kick them backwards and fall over.
edit: I've not watched your video because it's irrelevant.
Soldato
He dived, End of Story. There was far more contact in the Pires penalty yet that was considered cheating by the media, heck they tried to hound him out of the country. Oh he's not English theres the difference.
Im not defending Gerrard but Pires has turned diving into an art. I presume your talking about the Pompey incident the other year; Pires actually kicked the Pompey player to make it look as if he was tripped.Gooner14 said:
Just on the Gerrard incident, as i havent said anything about it yet; he dived like the majority of people have been saying (0.0001% chance of an argument that he jumped out of the way to avoid the tackle) but it was still a penalty for me as the intent was there. I remember a few seasons back when Viera was sent off Vs Liverpool for a two footed tackle on Hamann (2nd yellow) when he won the ball and the ref (Poll iirc) said that even though he won the ball it was still a foul and a booking because of the intent.
Soldato
In that comentary you have your answer.
"does he catch him...... Mark?"
"No, he didn't catch him John"
the tackle actually missed him. When you are falling you tend to stretch out with your leading leg to stay up. Gerrard blatently let his legs collapse beneath him.
I will repeat again in case you missed what I said georges
Gerrard is a diver!!!!!!
"does he catch him...... Mark?"
"No, he didn't catch him John"
the tackle actually missed him. When you are falling you tend to stretch out with your leading leg to stay up. Gerrard blatently let his legs collapse beneath him.
I will repeat again in case you missed what I said georges
Gerrard is a diver!!!!!!
Soldato
SpeedFreak said:
Well he's not exactly alone on that charge is he? It's easier to list the players who never dive, than those that do.