Englands World Cup Failure

Personally, I think it's ultimately the manager who has to take most of the blame, someone that couldn't produce a team, and then it's the parts of that team who don't perform.

Of course, that's just scratching the surface.. I mean, you could look at how our league games are structured and possible team requirement rules for English players...
 
Anything less than winning the thing would have been seen as "failure" by the media, and therein lies a large problem in itself. We are an average team, winning it shouldn't be the priority.

The priority should be to play out of our skins, unburdened by expectation. And to play with confidence, style and good technical ability.
 
I don't feel it's too many foreigners for a start :

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16744819&postcount=25

Greenlizard0 said:
It's probably worth mentioning that limiting foreigners is just a possible excuse for England's 'failings', one scraped from the bottom of the barrel. If you think, it actually doesn't make any sense. Before the Premier League England won only one summer tournament, in the years between 1966 and 1992 where foreigners were a relative rarity they weren't able to repeat this success. That is to say, we haven't done that well before the surge started.

The one thing I do agree about limiting non English players is that by having more of our own, they will be cheaper. One reason why they're dearer than Jonny Foreigner is because they're rarer. Other things that are already around will help. Compared to e.g. Spain, England isn't that attractive to an incoming player. He'd pay 50% tax here compared to 23%. Also the Pound is weaker against the Euro making him more expensive for our clubs. Also, in terms of money, don't forget that when clubs go for a foreigner, they're more often than not going for a finished product. Training a young English boy will take time and a lot of money, and by averages alone, he will not make it. Look at the traditional top four sides, Arsenal produced Ashley Cole; Liverpool raised Gerrard and Carragher; UTD had Fletcher (though it seems there is debate about whether is good enough); Chelsea had John Terry. The similarity here is that we're going back a good few years, it's almost one a decade.

The Mad Rapper said:
That's the issue for me. I just don't feel this potential is being exploited or developed sufficiently. I accept it's a severe step, but restricting foreign competition would seem a way to achieve this.
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See below, but in essence if people aren't looking for the right skills there is little value in raising the quantity available.

Tunney said:
The problem isn't the number of foreigners in the the Premiership. It's much more fundamental than that.

Our youth system is all about competitive play. It encourages hard grafting, tough tackling but ultimately technically poor players. While other countries emphasise ball skills at a young age, we emphasise winning at all costs.

We don't produce Arsene Wenger style players because the majority of people in this country have a very different view from him on how the game should be played and how the rules should be interpreted. Referees, especially in the lower leagues, give zero protection to technically gifted players who don't rely on physique to win games.

Why we haven't seen a world class goalkeeper since Seaman is more of a mystery.
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Correct, when Wenger first came to England he couldn't believe there was not only a total lack of technically gifted players, but that there was almost a deliberate attempt to not breed them. He said it'd probably take around 10 years for them to appear and I think now in Wilshere, Lansbury and Ramsey (ok not English) we have three for example.

I'm not going to discuss it too deeply as it was done to death at the time, but once all the heat around the Shawcross/Ramsey incident had died down one thing became clear in my opinion. Shawcross is the type of player that is lauded and scouted for all across the country; Ramsey it appears only really by Wenger and his team. If that's the personnel we want representing us in summer competitions that automatically means we have no chance of winning them. The approach for the task is all wrong in my eyes.

A problem with linked youth setups is that players are selected due to the needs of its senior team or another domestic side. If England needs a right back, then it'll get one only when a club needs one, not the other way round. There is no independent school, France has Clairfontaine I believe.

Another point as well about the brawn vs. brain thing is a player's personality, which of course is very important. Yes footballers the world over are assumed to be stupid but there is a very high proportion of thuggish characters in our team. Intelligent players in my opinion make better students and later on will raise the quality of the side they playing for. Look at our squad. 5 of them have been unfaithful to their wives or girlfriends, one hit an ex partner, one 'forgot' a drugs test, one went mental in a night club. When France won the World Cup in 1998 a huge difference was easily noticed by listening to them in interviews. Over here we think they're classless simple creatures, in France however people respect what Henry, Zidane etc. have to say; they are held in the same esteem as we view our rugby players.

Edit - long post. Think I had a lot to say lol.
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When is the FA's role in all this going to be looked at, as an organisation it is in free fall, look at the recent resignations because of in fighting and the old guard refusing to change.

They are still talking about the nationally academy in Burton, how long has this been going on for?
 
Felix Da Housecat said:
Along with a blind lines man
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LOL sorry but even if we had the second goal...i dont think England would have won it;)...Germans just completely and utterly outplayed us....they gave us a masterclass in football today.

Personally crap tactics and some shoddy players who shouldnt have been in the squad is the reason why we went out today.
 
We failed because 2/3 of our squad don't care about world cups and euros and aren't even match fit for them.Why would they care they are raking it in for little talent.
 
The main players didn't show up and perform to the level they were capable of.

To scrape through a group which contained the USA, Algeria and Slovenia was bad enough, if the players couldn't get up for a game against Germany in the Last 16 there is no hope.
 
The team don't care for each other as players...

They really didn't care at all tbh. Zero drive and motivation from most players, if not all.
 
The Premier League also does not care less about the national team, Germany realised this and changed the structure to promote German players.
 
Locke said:
Personally, I think it's ultimately the manager who has to take most of the blame, someone that couldn't produce a team, and then it's the parts of that team who don't perform.

Of course, that's just scratching the surface.. I mean, you could look at how our league games are structured and possible team requirement rules for English players...
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First part correct, second part absolute and complete rubbish. The best English players are IN the premier league, the worse English players, are in the premier league also, the even worse are in lower leagues, less foreigners means our best english players who would get in the England team, play and train every week with worse players, and play competitively against worse players, I find it incredibly stupid to suggest that England would be a better team if the England players, faced a lower level of competition in the league and had to work less hard to win things.

We failed because the manager is a hapless buffoon. Can this be shown any more clearly when at 3-1 down he started to prepare HESKEY to come on, and then 4-1 down he brought SWP on, as a right back and even more shockingly and tellingly, SWP played out of position as right back, DID AS HE WAS TOLD and actually played as a right back. Hopelessly poor player SWP, but asked to play right back he managed to do several key things, he STAYED at right back, he managed to keep a line with Upson and Terry, he didn't run all the way up the wing and fail to get back for every attack...

Yet our actual right back wasn't able to do any of those things.

Heskey, Upson(after LOTS of injuries and a poor season), Joe Cole, SWP, Barry and Gerrard at a minimum should NOT have been anywhere near the squad. Neither should James, we needed to put in Hart as our number one, or Greene and had them play, as number one, for two years before the cup started. Barry is consistantly used as a defensive midfield, he failed to cover a single midfield run in behind the defence, thats the DM's main job. The mere fact he hasn't EVER played as a DM for his clubs, and was for a short time an ultra attacking left back, before being a left winger, before being an attacking central midfielder, confirmed by Barry, his old manager, Petrov who was and still is Villa's DM and the fact that Barry can't defend to save his life should all have meant we should probably have taken an inteligent DM with us, every single other team took one.

There wasn't a single other team at the cup that didn't take a defensive midfielder, except England, who looked shakey in defence against a woeful Algeria, Slovenia and the USA having an off game, don't kid yourselves, the USA were incredibly poor against us and showed a massive improvement in their other 3 games.
 
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