Irrelevant story is irrelevant. Anyone with half a brain knew this ages ago. Money has wrung the last bit of pride out of them. We need every single player kicked out of the team and total unknowns brought in. Then again, with our senseless media they'll be made 'superstars' over night with every move reported to the salvating masses.
Englands World Cup Failure
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Irrelevant story is irrelevant. Anyone with half a brain knew this ages ago. Money has wrung the last bit of pride out of them. We need every single player kicked out of the team and total unknowns brought in. Then again, with our senseless media they'll be made 'superstars' over night with every move reported to the salvating masses.
Except they perform. Money should have everything to do with it, performance based salary.
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The England players give their national team appearance money to charity so performance related pay doesn't mean much here although I don't know what other national teams do.
Most clubs seem unlikely to institute performance related pay, especially if it relates to the national team which is outwith their remit and quite often is a conflicting pull on the players loyalties e.g. how many players come back from international duty injured or otherwise less than able to perform at 100% for their club. Provided the players are doing the job for their clubs then those clubs have no real reason or standing to question the performances elsewhere.
You see this whole England Problem is like a Jigsaw and it needs them clowns at the FA to see it like this.
You get JG making a very valid point that money has nothing to do with players performing for their country. Everything points to the fact that when you put club rivalry aside, English players at present simply do not have everything that it takes to be succeed in tournament football at this level. Yes we have some players who are creative, some who are technically brilliant, some who are out and out athletes, what we don't have is a team with five or six players at the very minimum who have all of that.
People can bang the drum about getting 'Arry Redknapp in charge because at least players will play with 'Passion' & 'Pride', it's BS and deflects from the real issue. You can have a JT type player getting all glassy eyed at the National Anthem but it means Jack if the opposing team are going to be keeping their composure and concentration to win the match (Just like Germany did against England & Argentina).
The reason why England went out, is not because of some sensationalist tripe about the players not caring enough. The reason is when you cut through the crap is that the players simply weren't good enough and no amount of sensationalist, patriotic chest beating inspired by our god awful press will change that.
Of course our players were committed but the obvious failing is that Capello tried to play to our players strengths and play a 4-4-2 to suit English players. Pretty much every team had a more fluid 4-5-1 changing to a 4-3-3 on the counter attack. Then you add in Full backs not pushing up, not keeping possession etc
You get JG making a very valid point that money has nothing to do with players performing for their country. Everything points to the fact that when you put club rivalry aside, English players at present simply do not have everything that it takes to be succeed in tournament football at this level. Yes we have some players who are creative, some who are technically brilliant, some who are out and out athletes, what we don't have is a team with five or six players at the very minimum who have all of that.
People can bang the drum about getting 'Arry Redknapp in charge because at least players will play with 'Passion' & 'Pride', it's BS and deflects from the real issue. You can have a JT type player getting all glassy eyed at the National Anthem but it means Jack if the opposing team are going to be keeping their composure and concentration to win the match (Just like Germany did against England & Argentina).
The reason why England went out, is not because of some sensationalist tripe about the players not caring enough. The reason is when you cut through the crap is that the players simply weren't good enough and no amount of sensationalist, patriotic chest beating inspired by our god awful press will change that.
Of course our players were committed but the obvious failing is that Capello tried to play to our players strengths and play a 4-4-2 to suit English players. Pretty much every team had a more fluid 4-5-1 changing to a 4-3-3 on the counter attack. Then you add in Full backs not pushing up, not keeping possession etc
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Robert Green 51.67
Joe Cole 55.45
Glen Johnson 57.18
Ledley King 57.50
Gareth Barry 57.50
Aaron Lennon 57.64
Frank Lampard 58.58
Wayne Rooney 58.87
Jamie Carragher 59.04
David James 59.28
James Milner 59.40
Ashley Cole 59.58
Emile Heskey 60.15
Matthew Upson 60.21
John Terry 60.48
Steven Gerrard 60.98
Shaun Wright-Phillips 61.09
Jermain Defoe 62.47
Capello's WC ratings. SWP one of the top players?
Joe Cole 55.45
Glen Johnson 57.18
Ledley King 57.50
Gareth Barry 57.50
Aaron Lennon 57.64
Frank Lampard 58.58
Wayne Rooney 58.87
Jamie Carragher 59.04
David James 59.28
James Milner 59.40
Ashley Cole 59.58
Emile Heskey 60.15
Matthew Upson 60.21
John Terry 60.48
Steven Gerrard 60.98
Shaun Wright-Phillips 61.09
Jermain Defoe 62.47
Capello's WC ratings. SWP one of the top players?
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Forlan only got 65. SWP 61. 
I thought Barry would be higher actually.
I thought Barry would be higher actually.
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Sooo. Capello is an idiot then? Who would have thought it...
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I understood they were using a formula that he had devised but that he hadn't given approval for the release of the ratings. They don't directly come from him in that he doesn't rate every player individually but it's meant to be from a formula along the lines of passes completed, tackles won, shots on target, goals etc - I don't know the exact details or weightings of course but that's the basic idea as far as I'm aware.
Cant believe the crap on sky sports thismorning, everyone still blaming 'Dirty foreigners' for ruining our world cup chances?
Seriously?
It wasn't until sky got involved that we had any sort of boom in foreign players, and what exactly did we win as a nation between 66 and 92?
Yes, dirty foreigners indeed.
Seriously?
It wasn't until sky got involved that we had any sort of boom in foreign players, and what exactly did we win as a nation between 66 and 92?
Yes, dirty foreigners indeed.
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England World Cup form 'partly Premier League's fault'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8883685.stm
More's the point, why don't English players make in impact on overseas leagues like others do over here. There's not many English players abroad that I can think of. If more players played abroad then need for More English players in the Prem becomes less of an issue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8883685.stm
More's the point, why don't English players make in impact on overseas leagues like others do over here. There's not many English players abroad that I can think of. If more players played abroad then need for More English players in the Prem becomes less of an issue.