That was just 4...are you seriously telling me that every foreigner in the premiership at the world cup played less than the english players.. utter rubbish. Its just a cop out excuse , oh..poor us..our players were tired, thats why they didnt play properly !
Englands World Cup Failure
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That was just 4...are you seriously telling me that every foreigner in the premiership at the world cup played less than the english players.. utter rubbish. Its just a cop out excuse , oh..poor us..our players were tired, thats why they didnt play properly !
Ok fair enough give me more example of players lighting up the world cup that play in the premiership. I'm not saying it's the only reason but another I can think is playing reasonable is Tevez, he only played (probably not started) 35 games last year for City.
That has to help come the end of the season, Rooney had likely played more than that by the time he got injured in march wasn't it?
Redknapp is dodgy but he is a bloody good manager. Look what hes done for Portsmouth/Tottenham in the past 2-3 years. (If you decide to waver his dodgy dealings and look at his managerial prowess only
)Admittedly the FA wouldn't hire him because of the looming court case and being a bit "bent", but I still think he is one of the better ENGLISH football managers out there, including Hodgson and a few others. If Redknapp was cleared then he might stand a chance.
Venables was a good manager but was also very lucky in that the team in '96 was MUCH better than what we fielded this World Cup.
It does seem that Capello might get the boot but we would have to pay a lot of money to him to cut his contract early. He has made some interesting decisions but that doesn't take the fact away that he is a damn good manager too, I just think a combination of many factors caused us to go out; not just a few tactical blunders.
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If Yahoo! sports stats are to be believed... Tevez played more minutes and more games than Rooney. He scored less, though.
Tevez
Year : 2010::
Games : 35
Starting Line-up : 32
Substitutions : 3
Goals : 22
Penalties : 5
Yellow Cards : 6
Red Cards : 0
Minutes Played : 2872
Rooney
Year : 2010::
Games : 32
Starting Line-up : 32
Substitutions : 0
Goals : 26
Penalties : 4
Yellow Cards : 6
Red Cards : 0
Minutes Played : 2723
Stevie G also played fewer minutes than Tevez:
Gerrard
Year : 2010::
Games : 33
Starting Line-up : 32
Substitutions : 1
Goals : 9
Penalties : 2
Yellow Cards : 6
Red Cards : 0
Minutes Played : 2850
Looking through the whole England squad, the only players who played more than Tevez in 2010 are Milner, Barry, Lampard, Carragher, Upson, Terry, Hart and Green. Only 5 of those played in our losing game against Germany.
In short, I don't buy it.
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Beckham as next England manager??..**** me the media are just so idiotic its not funny.
Saying that look at what Maradona has done for Argies in this WC...so maybe give Becks a shot and see what he can do
...he cant be any worse than Capello, Sven or McClown
Saying that look at what Maradona has done for Argies in this WC...so maybe give Becks a shot and see what he can do
...he cant be any worse than Capello, Sven or McClownTheres a big difference between "lighting up the world cup" and playing to their normal ability. Agger hasnt "lit up the world cup" but he has played to his normal ability for instance.
I'm sorry, but awww we're so tired..but only us English players are so tired, is nothing more than a somewhat feeble attempt to pull the wool over peoples eyes with an excuse.
It was touched upon higher up the thread but take the foreign players out of the Premier League and this is what we are left with.
This is not a knock at English players. They are clearly very good at what they do but what they do is comparitively limited.
Liverpool fans may well mention Gerrard while Chelsea fans may well mention Lampard, but ultimately neither of these players have the technical ability or creative flair to unlock a defence like your Messi's, Robinho's or most of the Spanish midfield.
We have strengths but they are pretty much ignored. I still can't believe we never tried to exploit Crouch's height or the teams pace.
Without the creativity of the foreign players, we just seem lost.
This is not a knock at English players. They are clearly very good at what they do but what they do is comparitively limited.
Liverpool fans may well mention Gerrard while Chelsea fans may well mention Lampard, but ultimately neither of these players have the technical ability or creative flair to unlock a defence like your Messi's, Robinho's or most of the Spanish midfield.
We have strengths but they are pretty much ignored. I still can't believe we never tried to exploit Crouch's height or the teams pace.
Without the creativity of the foreign players, we just seem lost.
It's not just the games it's the nature of the games. Manu and Chelsea players have been fighting on multiple fronts all season. A Tevez or an agger hasn't had that extra. To some degree I agree it's an excuse but the extra games cannot help the fitness of players towards the end of the season.
Quite clearly a few of our players where suffering from not getting over knocks.
And Rooney appeared to be suffering because we took the wrong Rooney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rooney_(footballer)
that's the only way I can fathom how horrendously cack he was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rooney_(footballer)
that's the only way I can fathom how horrendously cack he was
There are currently 2'769 English coaches with the top UEFA coaching badge.
Compared to the 24'995 in Spain, Italy nearly 29'500, Germany nearly 35'000, France 17'000.
England play football the wrong way, have done for years, it's not worked since '66.
The Premier League is a big reason for English failure of late. Each place in the Premiership is worth 750'000, you can't afford to risk new young English players.
The F.A. Don't really have any control over the Premier League, the Premier League isn't ran with England in mind and the benefit of the national side. They're ran with themselves in mind and promoting themselves.
England need to end over reliance on players from over seas domestically, English players aren't as good as people think they are.
There is so much money in English football yet very little is put back in to developing the next generation.
Compared to the 24'995 in Spain, Italy nearly 29'500, Germany nearly 35'000, France 17'000.
England play football the wrong way, have done for years, it's not worked since '66.
The Premier League is a big reason for English failure of late. Each place in the Premiership is worth 750'000, you can't afford to risk new young English players.
The F.A. Don't really have any control over the Premier League, the Premier League isn't ran with England in mind and the benefit of the national side. They're ran with themselves in mind and promoting themselves.
England need to end over reliance on players from over seas domestically, English players aren't as good as people think they are.
There is so much money in English football yet very little is put back in to developing the next generation.
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The FA is moving in the right direction regarding the homegrown player ruling. It may take some time, but I expect that to steadily increase development in English youngsters.
Like the big youth development thing what was it called?
St George something? That was supposed to be finished 9 years ago.
The F.A. is moving in the right direction I agree, it's too late they should have done all this years ago.
The number of Coaches alone in this country tell its own story.
St George something? That was supposed to be finished 9 years ago.
The F.A. is moving in the right direction I agree, it's too late they should have done all this years ago.
The number of Coaches alone in this country tell its own story.
I dunno. I think it's all psychological personally. Sure, we're light on truly world-class talent, but we still have enough quality to do well IF we played as a team. But the players and fans always go into the World Cup with a sense of dread instead of excitement - more like "oh gawd, what's gonna go wrong THIS time..." 
When was the last time you saw an England player look like he was enjoying himself? They all look like an accident waiting to happen.
I think the manager is blameless. I actually felt sorry for Capello after the Algeria game - you could see he was thinking "WTF is wrong with you guys?!?!?" The players he supposedly played out of position are still good enough to play there. The only silly decision was bringing on Heskey against Germany - and I think that just came from desperation and exasperation. And as for the argument that the manager should be able to get the best from the players........we haven't had a manager able to do that since, who, Bobby Robson? Doesn't matter who our manager is - the same thing always happens. We would be better having a shrink in charge.
I think our players need to think of the World Cup as the "icing on the cake" instead of the be-all and end-all. Same for the fans - we need to drop this "40 years of hurt" bull.
When was the last time you saw an England player look like he was enjoying himself? They all look like an accident waiting to happen.I think the manager is blameless. I actually felt sorry for Capello after the Algeria game - you could see he was thinking "WTF is wrong with you guys?!?!?" The players he supposedly played out of position are still good enough to play there. The only silly decision was bringing on Heskey against Germany - and I think that just came from desperation and exasperation. And as for the argument that the manager should be able to get the best from the players........we haven't had a manager able to do that since, who, Bobby Robson? Doesn't matter who our manager is - the same thing always happens. We would be better having a shrink in charge.
I think our players need to think of the World Cup as the "icing on the cake" instead of the be-all and end-all. Same for the fans - we need to drop this "40 years of hurt" bull.
Still sounds like a load of old hogwash to me. Prior to the world cup and even during the group stage nobody was saying that we would suffer because of how tired and worn out everyone was. Its only now, after we have been knocked out that suddenly the Capello spin is "oh...but our players were oh so tired, nobody else was as tired as us, we were the most tiredest ever, I barely know how our team stood up let alone run around on the pitch when we were so massively shattered compared to everyone else. What? no...no the foreign players in all the premiership teams arent as tired as the English ones, we English ones are the mostest tired."
Now dont get me wrong, if you are willing to believe that the reason why we didnt play well was because specifically the english players in the league are more tired than the foreign players and our england team was too tired (which in my mind would simply make it even more the fault of Capello for not bringing fresher players (or using fresher players like Crouch or Dawson) if he was that aware of just how numbingly tired our team was), then thats ok...but me..I'm just not buying it. As far as I am concerned its a cop out excuse, that ranks right up there with the ball was too awkward for us, the grass was too long and my bed wasnt comfy enough.
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