English League Football [26th Feb - 2nd Mar 2010] **spoilers**

[Yas786]

He has got a point. Arsenal fans and the club in general have developed a "Holier Than Thou" complex.

Just like any other club then...

Anyhow whats done is done...Arsenal and Wenger have every right to complain about the tackle...

I await the day when Rooney, Torres, Gerrard, Drogba or any other important player suffers a career ending injury...would love to see how their supporters and managers react...im pretty sure Fergie wouldnt let it lie

 

[jakeke]

Arsenal fans aren't saying that Shawcross tackle was dirty, you'd probably see that nearly every Arsenal fan here has said that this tackle was mistimed not malicious.

He has however committed a fair number of poor challenges previously in his career and I think it's totally fair to say he needs to cut them out. Vidic is another example of a player who is incredibly physical but rarely reckless, physicality can be fine if it's fair.

Fabregas wouldn't have made that challenge if Ramsey's leg hadn't been broken, tempers were very flared and emotions high. Doesn't excuse it, but it was immature rather than malicious, he wasn't going to hurt Pugh, it was a nothing challenge where he tapped his ankle

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Not really, I'm just sick of complete morons spouting utter nonsense. However, you are kindly proving my own point once again, so kudos for that.

So do you think that the 3 broken bones are all part of consiparcy agaisnt arsenal?
I don't recall insulting you , would hope you would do the same.

 

[Nix]

So do you think that the 3 broken bones are all part of consiparcy agaisnt arsenal?

Are you being deliberately stupid or does it come naturally?

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Are you going to answer the question i asked you or is just insults?

 

[Nix]

Are you going to answer the question i asked you or is just insults?

I've already answered it.

 

[Caseh]

He has got a point. Arsenal fans and the club in general have developed a "Holier Than Thou" complex.

Theres the insult.

Not all Arsenal fans are the same, just like every other club has "good and bad" fans.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Theres the insult.

Not all Arsenal fans are the same, just like every other club has "good and bad" fans.

I guess you right about the "good and bad" i think the bad ones tend to be more vocal. Imo the tackle didn't merit a red, it was a 50/50 ball and ramsey was very unlucky to have a broken leg.

 

[bloodline76]

He has got a point. Arsenal fans and the club in general have developed a "Holier Than Thou" complex.

What is his point exactly? You are very ignorant if you think you can blanket remarks against all Arsenal fans with petty insults. You would be very Naïve if you claim that this was a trait of Arsenal fans alone. Most successful teams come across as arrogant to the lower/mid teams, it just comes with success, whether they win trophies or not.

I think it would be wrong for me to claim all stoke fans are rude and ignorant but from what has been said on here then maybe all stoke fans are like that? Seems like they have the "holier than thou" complex where they are allowed to break peoples legs yet no one is allowed to say anything bad against them. I guess it isnt just the successful teams that are like that then

I guess you right about the "good and bad" i think the bad ones tend to be more vocal. Imo the tackle didn't merit a red, it was a 50/50 ball and ramsey was very unlucky to have a broken leg.

I would say you are quite vocal, I guess that makes you a bad fan in your own eyes

Doesnt matter if he meant it or not. He still broke the lads leg which in my eyes merits a red card.

It was unfortunate that Ramsey had his foot grounded but if you break someones leg in a mistimed tackle there is no ref in the league that isnt going to send them off. Its considered dangerous play.

 

[Gilly]

lol, i wouldnt use scholes to back up this arguement, its not him being malicious, or dirty, we all know he just plain cant learn to tackle, its a fault that we all look past because of his other attributes, i dont think we ever think paul scholes is malicously doing the tackles he does because he justy gets it wrong so often

Excellent. Well Scholes is a superb example then. The challenge in question wasn't dirty either

 

[Peg]

It was unfortunate that Ramsey had his foot grounded but if you break someones leg in a mistimed tackle there is no ref in the league that isnt going to send them off. Its considered dangerous play.

There are international referees that don't though.

 

[jakeke]

Strange one that. Did De Jong break his leg with his leading leg or when his trailing foot clipped his ankle area?

 

[Tummy]

Could you imagine Wenger if that tackle was on an Arsenal player and they didn't get sent off?

This is coming from Arsenal's manager and fans, whom a few years ago got in to trouble for having 11 red cards in a season, and Wenger said that the league needs to toughen up?

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Could you imagine Wenger if that tackle was on an Arsenal player and they didn't get sent off?

This is coming from Arsenal's manager and fans, whom a few years ago got in to trouble for having 11 red cards in a season, and Wenger said that the league needs to toughen up?

You see arsenal invented passing football, who cares about anything before wenger

 

[Peg]

You see arsenal invented passing football, who cares about anything before wenger

http://playfootballthearsenalway.wordpress.com/

 

[jakeke]

Why do so many people hate Wenger? He was asked what he thought of the tackle and he replied unacceptable. His player's leg was broken and is out for 9 months, it's unacceptable. I don't see how that's anything other than fair. The witchhunt against Wenger is so boring

It's amazing how hardly anybody in this country appreciates what he's done for football here along with Ferguson. I can't believe it.

Also, you'd be wise not to listen to what he says to the press, I imagine he hardly ever tells them what he's really thinking, so to hate him on the basis of what he tells the press is a little odd. It'd be counter productive to tell this country's ridiculous journalists your real thoughts and that's why he never does

 

[Gooner14]

http://playfootballthearsenalway.wordpress.com/

I'm sorry but as soon as I saw the clip of Grimandi that link has little credibility.

Grimandi's tackle was after he had retired and left Arsenal as a Player, was the Bergkamp friendly, and was a to stop an ex-Spurs player scoring at Ashburton Grove on the first matchday. Heck why not show tackles by Ex-Arsenal players at other clubs, it has as much relevance.

 

[Gilly]

I appreciate what Wenger has achieved in England, but that doesn't mean I can listen to him brand a 50/50 challenge unacceptable and not think what a twonk he is

 

[jakeke]

I think you can forgive him for calling that tackle unacceptable in the heat of the moment after him seeing it from 10 yards and no replays If I were a manager I know that I'd say at least that as you have to stick up for your players at all times, that's what proper managers do. A proper manager doesn't say 'the tackle was fine, no problems here'. In reality he's now got a CM problem just when he doesn't want one, it's not cool

I don't subscribe to the 50-50 thing that much, sure it was a 50-50, sure he was entitled to go for the ball, but it doesn't mean that the leg break is any easier to swallow, not one bit. If you were an Arsenal fan you'd realise that, it's very hard to see such a great talent out for so long, other fans don't need to think about that though

An acceptable challenge is one where the other players wins the ball fairly, an unacceptable one is where the other player doesn't, it's even worse when his leg gets broke, so Wenger has every right to use the word unacceptable

 

[Gilly]

Ah, but you have to accept (unless you're Wenger or an Arsenal fan) that in a contact sport people are going to get injured. I play every week and if I picked up a long-term injury would be gutted, but accept that sometimes it happens.