English League Football [26th Feb - 2nd Mar 2010] **spoilers**
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i was at the match - you will notice that shawcross had his shirt pulled just as he went into the challenge slowing him down.
If that shirt pull hadn't of happened who knows if the broken leg would have happened at all.
And thats the point - it's just one of those things that happens in football now and then.
If that shirt pull hadn't of happened who knows if the broken leg would have happened at all.
And thats the point - it's just one of those things that happens in football now and then.
His touch was also bad so you could claim that was a factor but ultimately that doesn't matter anyway.
My interpretation of a bad tackle is one where they miss the ball and take the player, intent doesn't come into it. Technically it was a bad challenge not a good one as he didn't get the ball, obviously. At least that's the context I've been using it in anyway.
My interpretation of a bad tackle is one where they miss the ball and take the player, intent doesn't come into it. Technically it was a bad challenge not a good one as he didn't get the ball, obviously. At least that's the context I've been using it in anyway.
Doesn't that just about cover every foul?
Yeah, bad tackle/foul, same thing isn't it?!
Edit - In this case I think it was at least a yellow due to the force of the challenge and the fact he missed the ball. Had he not had his leg broken it's a yellow, but the referee probably saw it as dangerous play and upgraded it to a red.
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I think the ref would have been strung up if he hadnt sent the guy off.
It wasnt deliberate but it was clumbsy and deserved a red. Common sense is something that the ref is allowed to act with. If breaking someones leg doesnt deserve a red card then I shiver to think what you think does
Clutching at straws? It was a bad tackle, he got sent off. End of story...
It wasnt deliberate but it was clumbsy and deserved a red. Common sense is something that the ref is allowed to act with. If breaking someones leg doesnt deserve a red card then I shiver to think what you think does
Clutching at straws? It was a bad tackle, he got sent off. End of story...
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Or Busst?
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lol, i wouldnt use scholes to back up this arguement, its not him being malicious, or dirty, we all know he just plain cant learn to tackle, its a fault that we all look past because of his other attributes, i dont think we ever think paul scholes is malicously doing the tackles he does because he justy gets it wrong so often
my opinion on the shawcross tackle, i just think it was a 50/50 tackle, sometimes they just come out bad. i dont think there was any intent whatsoever and i think it was genuinly just a tackle that went bad. we see them all the time, its just this time the unfortunate position of ramsey and him having hi foot dug in ended with his leg fracture.
people need to stop thinking this is a sport without risk, 2 people going in at the speeds they do is bound to end badly at one point, its purely numbers. you take this away and your looking at a nonecontact sport.
footballers get estimations wrong, whether its a keeper projecting the flight of the ball, a striker skying his shot into row Z or a defender mistiming a tackle. its part and parcel of football.
if he has gone in with malicious intent, e.g seconds after the ball has moved on, then you cant ridicule him.
How on earth is Fletcher a dirty player?
He doesn't even really tackle players, he just runs about getting in opposition players faces
Stunned how anyone could call him a dirty player
Scholes and some of his tackles on the other hand
Scholes can tackle, he's just not very good at it, I think he does it more to slow play down sometimes.
He's certainly isn't a passanger with his defensive side of the game, Fergie wouldn't allow a passanger in his side for this long.
He's certainly isn't a passanger with his defensive side of the game, Fergie wouldn't allow a passanger in his side for this long.
I cant believe someone a technically gifted as Scholesy just could never master tackling.... I reckon he knows exactly what he's doing most of the time
I cant believe someone a technically gifted as Scholesy just could never master tackling.... I reckon he knows exactly what he's doing most of the time
Yeah so do I. It's usually a crucial break at the halfway line for the opposition too.
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It wasn't a bad challenge? Are you kidding me? I don't see how it can be viewed as "not bad" when it leaves the recipient with a broken leg.
No, but did he break Shawcross' leg? Would you have asked that question if he had?
Just incase as to whether there was any doubt about Shawcross, here's another tackle by him. How this guy gets any sympathy from "football fans" is confusing and hypocritical.
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I understand that the supporters of the team the injured player plays for will be more upset about a leg breaking tackle than neutrals. But how anyone can say that a challenge leaving someone with a broken tibia and fibula is beyond me.
Yes there wasn't any malice, he didn't mean to injure him (although I beleive he went to "rough him up"). But the fact remains - Shawcross has put Ramsey out of action for a long time. It was a bad tackle.
Yes there wasn't any malice, he didn't mean to injure him (although I beleive he went to "rough him up"). But the fact remains - Shawcross has put Ramsey out of action for a long time. It was a bad tackle.
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would we all be talking about the tackle if ramseys leg hadnt been broken?
you need to understand how his leg got boken, it was ramseys foot being dug into the ground. it wasnt so much the challenge, just the unfortunate circumstance of legs positioning. this was not malicious, his studs ant even up for christ sakes. hes just challenging for the ball.
rewatch it. i have over and over, its a genuine challenge for the ball. if he wanted to hurt him he would have gone in studs raised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WoL2PwOBuE
dont see where that is malicious
Speaking of hypocrits, it's amazing what "great footballing" players can get away with isn't it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJRlGKUM4Es
Only his 3rd two-footed lunge from behind in 90 minutes though...so obviously he didn't get a carded or even cautioned.
Arsenal fans are really embarrasing themselves over this, everybody else gets that it was a 50/50 challenge and that accidents happen, so why can't they?
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That wasn't two footed, and having seen the match I don't remember his other two for sure
Anyway, are you comparing a petty light tackle to the broken leg? They are two very different challenges lol! What does Cesc have to do with Shawcross anyway? I wasn't talking about him, but anyway, he at the same age as Shawcross hasn't put out 3 people for more than 3 weeks or more. Two of those times, it's very possible he was riled up earlier on in the game. He's either a very bad defender who it seems gets it wrong from time to time where he "happens" to leave his opponents seriously injured, or being that he's an international footballer perhaps there's a nasty streak to him.
The reasons are above, in short had it just been the one incident we'd have all moved on by now (as we did when Dan Smith tackled Diaby (a far worse tackle as it happens)). But it's something we've seen repeatedly over the years, and it's a consequence as said, of an overly physical style of play that's crossed the line. It's become increasinglyi fashionable to do this, so that's why there's more and more anger.
With the world cup arriving this summer and Shawcross being called up, I suppose it's a fair point to ask how much of the "shove it under the rug" attitude is a result of that. Years ago when an Argentinian broke Beckham's foot, the country had no such sympathy, found no such excuses and went far more mental, with fewer years of provocation compared to Arsenal fans.
Anyway, are you comparing a petty light tackle to the broken leg? They are two very different challenges lol! What does Cesc have to do with Shawcross anyway? I wasn't talking about him, but anyway, he at the same age as Shawcross hasn't put out 3 people for more than 3 weeks or more. Two of those times, it's very possible he was riled up earlier on in the game. He's either a very bad defender who it seems gets it wrong from time to time where he "happens" to leave his opponents seriously injured, or being that he's an international footballer perhaps there's a nasty streak to him.
Arsenal fans are really embarrasing themselves over this, everybody else gets that it was a 50/50 challenge and that accidents happen, so why can't they?
The reasons are above, in short had it just been the one incident we'd have all moved on by now (as we did when Dan Smith tackled Diaby (a far worse tackle as it happens)). But it's something we've seen repeatedly over the years, and it's a consequence as said, of an overly physical style of play that's crossed the line. It's become increasinglyi fashionable to do this, so that's why there's more and more anger.
With the world cup arriving this summer and Shawcross being called up, I suppose it's a fair point to ask how much of the "shove it under the rug" attitude is a result of that. Years ago when an Argentinian broke Beckham's foot, the country had no such sympathy, found no such excuses and went far more mental, with fewer years of provocation compared to Arsenal fans.
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