Entitlement what can we do about it.

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There seems to be a vein running through society where hipeople believe they are owed something, house, job, high wages, cars, gadgets, holiday's.

Have we as a society had it good for so long we now expect life to be easy, constantly looking at bs tick tick lives and expecting the same?


Cost of living: University graduates want higher starting salaries - and many would take up side hustles to earn extra cash

New research by careers platform Bright Network, shared with Sky News, reveals students expect starting salaries to be over £30,000 - 25% more than the current national average starting salary.
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We have had some graduates come into work, their work ethic is poor and they don't won't to do the manual but important aspect of the job where they would learn the most about how it works. Counter to this we had some come through another route has have worked as contractors then into the role and the difference in attitude is massive.

Is it just the UK with this problem are other western nations have this issue? Eastern Europeans don't seen to have this problem but, it's probably because they have not been living as easy as us.

Note. This is not all graduates but more of a reflection on society as a whole.


Making money writing about Lego? I would say he needs to put the toys away and grow up.
 
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Sign of the times. Working practices are very different to what they used to be. Managers are more understanding, there is far more equilibrium, people can make a killing off Tiktok. People can WFH and never ever have to go to an office.

You'd probably have to change societal working practices overall. This attitude is a result of that.
 
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I think this harks back to modern parents giving their kids too cushy lives, to be honest.

Soon after I started college, my dad told me to not come home before 6 p.m. unless I got myself a job (College finished around 4 p.m.) - And I got one within a few days.

Nowadays, I often see post on Facebook, on my local 'group' - Parents (usually mums) asking if there are any jobs on behalf of their teenage children. If the children cared that much they would be asking themselves, surely? Or walk around town and look at the many places that are advertising for staff.

To be fair though, the article you have used in your story about entitlement features one person working part time whilst running her own little business, and another guy who is making money whilst in his final year, so they sound like they want to work.
 
It's a problem I've come across recently, particularly when recruiting. Looking for a graduate engineer and they're expecting £50k+. They're on a completely different planet.
When you do recruit someone young 9 times out of 10 they're lazy. Also having mummy call in sick for them on a Monday because they've had a tough weekend is all too common.
 
Many people seem to believe they’re entitled to be given jobs and promotions purely on the basis of their gender, ethnicity, etc under the belief that they should be “represented “.

People should be given Jobs/promotions on the basis of their own individual merit, competence and ability.

To believe the world owes you something because of your genitalia, skin pigmentation or who you choose to sleep with is the ultimate form of entitlement IMO!

I’ve started to notice our schools and universities have started pushing this rhetoric under the guise of equity to make themselves look good and I think it’s genuinely damaging for young people as they’ll soon find out that’s not the way the works outside the academic bubble many educational activists seem to inhabit.

I think partially the issue is because education itself is now a business. Many students resent the idea that the degree they’ve spent so much time and money on isn’t actually going to offer them the returns they’ve been told to expect by the college that sold it to them!
 
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I think this harks back to modern parents giving their kids too cushy lives, to be honest.

Soon after I started college, my dad told me to not come home before 6 p.m. unless I got myself a job (College finished around 4 p.m.) - And I got one within a few days.

Nowadays, I often see post on Facebook, on my local 'group' - Parents (usually mums) asking if there are any jobs on behalf of their teenage children. If the children cared that much they would be asking themselves, surely? Or walk around town and look at the many places that are advertising for staff.

To be fair though, the article you have used in your story about entitlement features one person working part time whilst running her own little business, and another guy who is making money whilst in his final year, so they sound like they want to work.
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On the local group here (not Facebook), I see wives asking for work for their husbands, who are probably down the pub crossing their fingers the wives don't get any replies!
 
More apprenticeships/undergraduate training schemes and less worthless degrees.

I remember Marconi Instruments having their undergraduate trainees spend a month in each section on the shop floor of the factory so they’d have a good appreciation of how to design things that aren’t an utter nightmare to build and test.

I also remember telecommunications graduates being hired by Three U.K. who thought they were going allowed to test out all their network optimisation ideas on a live mobile network on their first day in the office. Their disappointment on learning all the TDMA optimisation/planning theory they’d just been taught didn’t Apple to WCDMA networks at all was always a sight to behold.
 
LabR@t said:
There seems to be a vein running through society where hipeople believe they are owed something, house, job, high wages, cars, gadgets, holiday's.

Have we as a society had it good for so long we now expect life to be easy, constantly looking at bs tick tick lives and expecting the same?


Cost of living: University graduates want higher starting salaries - and many would take up side hustles to earn extra cash

New research by careers platform Bright Network, shared with Sky News, reveals students expect starting salaries to be over £30,000 - 25% more than the current national average starting salary.
news.sky.com


We have had some graduates come into work, their work ethic is poor and they don't won't to do the manual but important aspect of the job where they would learn the most about how it works. Counter to this we had some come through another route has have worked as contractors then into the role and the difference in attitude is massive.

Is it just the UK with this problem are other western nations have this issue? Eastern Europeans don't seen to have this problem but, it's probably because they have not been living as easy as us.

Note. This is not all graduates but more of a reflection on society as a whole.


Making money writing about Lego? I would say he needs to put the toys away and grow up.
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I'll straight out say I'm conflicted because you, Mr Monsiuer, are perhaps one of the last people that any self-respecting chap would want to tap their wagon to yours, and there is a reason for that.

Thatcher? Too ..?
Blair? * Fart noises*
Teressa: lols
 
I kind of agree on degrees being a gimmick now.
Because so many people are going to uni so many jobs now require "a degree".

Its so expensive, and starts you off with a pile of debt.

Sure there are degrees very much worth while. But there are also many many more that are just garbage.



Separately I do think social media is an interesting one. Now anyone can make millions. If you have a niche and can build an audience.
When I was growing up I never expected to be rich. Rich people were the elite. Or film stars.

Now jenny down the street is a millionaire on tik tok. What does she do? Anything from big boobed gamer to reacting to funny videos.

When you see "anyone" can do it. You probably start to feel "everyone" can do it.


Think it's harder now because of this. No longer do you need a long career or a lot of work to get mega mega rich.

Many of these stars do put a lot of work. In. But the perception of rich=easy is probably more in your face than ever before


Again, separately. Fancy new audis at 21 on credit. We just didn't have this when I was 18.everyone had a ghetto car. Big old tacky spoiler. Or some horrible alloys. Or just some old banger to get from A to B.


Cheap credit does have a lot to answer for. It has become normalised.
 
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When hiring a degree isn't an indicator that they would be suitable, I am more interested in work experience or volunteering they have done.
 
The problem is, it starts from primary school. If you've been to a sports day recently you'll know what I mean, everyone gets a "prize"/certificate, just for taking part, and it sets a very dangerous expectation that coming second is "good enough".

In the real world, you don't get that cushy well paid job for coming second in the interview, there's no "runner up" prize for failing to impress that girl you fancy, so why teach kids it's OK to fail?
 
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It is OK to fail. So long as you keep trying.
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Absolutely, but my point is that when you get the same reward for zero effort and failure as you do for putting in the work and winning, then where is the incentive for actually trying? When you've spent your whole life (in education) being taught that you get rewarded just for showing up, it's no surprise that people expect the same when they leave school.
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The kids getting runner up prizes are still aware they've lost.
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Yes, but it doesn't actually matter, they still get the same reward as the winners.

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What about all the sports where those outside of the top spot still get obscene amounts of prize winnings etc? Golf for example.
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You're still taking about a handful of people at the peak of their sport who are better than the rest of the world. You already have to have put in the effort and "won" to even get to that stage, they dont just let any Tom, Dick and Harry sign up for those competitions and walk away with $$$$ just for turning up and hitting the ball a few times.
 
Seems to be a few people in here forget what it was like to be young (cue anecdotal "I always had a good work ethic even when I was a kid")....

This "entitled generation" generally have one thing in common - they were raised and taught by the very people now calling them entitled... How very ironic.
 
Back in primary school my son just about won the 100m race at Sports Day. But because the second runner was only a few inches behind they declared it a tie. My son was devastated that his win was taken away from him and even said there was no point trying to win.

When we chose his next school we picked one that we thought would teach competitiveness. He's now in the school rugby club, a separate rugby club (where I am today watching him play a match) and an athletics club where he excels at short distance running. He's very competitive in everything, including being academic and being in the top groups for his GCSE subjects. A lot of it is due to the school teaching competitiveness.

Sadly that didn't seem to be available in most schools near us. So I think a lot of it is due to the state of our education system.
 
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What is a hiperson? Hipeople is a German software company...

At 196cm tall . I consider myself a high person. I don't feel entitled to that stuff.
 
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The hiring process is nuts these days in that employers will ask for 1st interview, then a 2nd and 3rd interview. Sometimes an online test, literacy and numeracy, then even a "trial period" where the candidate works for free for a few days. So this whittling down of candidates until they find the "best" candidate is surprising for me when the work ethic is generally still poor. It feels to me like we should go back to the 1990s / early 2000s when it was a lot easier to find work / recruit people, otherwise what is the point? Today's multiple-stage recruiting effort is being ****ed up the wall.
 
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