TDP isn’t a measurement of power used. That would be Watts. A watt is a watt. It’s really that simple.
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Entry level Alder Lake: i5-12400 review, the new value king
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TDP isn’t a measurement of power used. That would be Watts. A watt is a watt. It’s really that simple.
Im in privileged position. We all know some people don’t have the privilege of choice and are forced into irrational choice and justifications.
And die surface area is much larger for intel so it can dissipate that heat better to the heat spreader.
So it look as if the parts to beat will be the 9600, 10400 and 11400 chips on B460/560 boards. Those motherboard seems plentiful and pretty cheap.
On the AMD side it seems a 5600G/2600X and A520/B450 board looks the way to go. A520 boards looks particularly good from an upgrade aspect.
On the AMD side it seems a 5600G/2600X and A520/B450 board looks the way to go. A520 boards looks particularly good from an upgrade aspect.
I’ll leave you chaps to argue over the second law of thermodynamics and finer points of entropy.
You know you are arguing that 100watts of cooling can cool 150watts… You do understand the implications of what you are arguing?
Maybe you should stop now. The hole is big enough already…
Not arguing that. What I'm saying is that if you have a cooler capacity greater than the heat load so in this example say a 250w cooler you will end up with lower temps on the intel 150w heat load compared to the amd 100w heat load. Thats due to heat density and die surface area.
Your the one whose arguing about power use despite the evidence from Igors testing showing that average power usage is lower than a 5600X in gaming and even heavy workloads like blender.
You know you are arguing that 100watts of cooling can cool 150watts… You do understand the implications of what you are arguing?
Maybe you should stop now. The hole is big enough already…
*laughs in Physics*
Explain then why my 1700 cpu at 115w ppt peaked at 69c on a freezer 34 and using same cooler on my 5600x at 95w ppt temps peak at 83c with faster fan profile too?
95w is lower then 115w so in theory 95w should run cooler temps but as proven with zen3 many times its not the case. In my example 14nm running 115w is far easier to cool than 7nm at 95w.
Don't worry he doesn't know what he's talking about and just thinking he's smart because big number is bigger than small numbers
You are aware that the Ryzen 5000 IHS is a different shape because of the chiplet design, yeah? And that's caused issues with reusing older AM4 coolers which tended to be a little convex to match Intel's concave IHS. So right there you have suboptimal contact. This is why lapping came back in vogue and the offset cooler mount was invented.
Now I do concur that thermal density adds challenges, so the chiplet design gives smaller and hotter heat spots, but a 14 degree difference? Sounds more like your cooler is just incompatible with Ryzen 5000 and/or you've messed up mounting the thing.
Cry harder, Grim.
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Not sure, probably at least a few months, it's only just been released. You could buy a cheaper Alder Lake CPU for now, then upgrade to Intel's 13th generation at the end of 2022 / whenever. We need confirmation that Raptor Lake will be a drop in upgrade though for current LGA1700 boards, as far as I know it is. Intel has kept pretty quiet about the 13th generation, as opposed to AMD's Zen 4 announcement at CES.
FYI - I've seen a quad core i3-12100F for ~£95, but it's not in stock yet. It looks like these chips turbo to 4.1Ghz on all cores - typical Intel never just states this stuff
12100 + B660 = new value king
Turns out it's got excellent 0.1/1% lows in games:
https://youtu.be/xBDFCoGhZ4g?t=495
FYI - I've seen a quad core i3-12100F for ~£95, but it's not in stock yet. It looks like these chips turbo to 4.1Ghz on all cores - typical Intel never just states this stuff
12100 + B660 = new value king
Turns out it's got excellent 0.1/1% lows in games:
https://youtu.be/xBDFCoGhZ4g?t=495
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12100f is 90 to 95% of 9900k gaming performance and beats the 3900x
Which goes to show that cores aren't really important for games, if your IPC is high enough then you only need 4 cores - heck, if Intel gave this thing 5ghz+ clocks and more L3 cache it would probably match much more expensive CPUs in games
Which goes to show that cores aren't really important for games, if your IPC is high enough then you only need 4 cores - heck, if Intel gave this thing 5ghz+ clocks and more L3 cache it would probably match much more expensive CPUs in games
agreed, number of cores dont mean jack. overall cpu performance is what to look at. if it was nothing but cores then everyone would be packing 64+ atom cores.
Thanks for the replies chaps
I'm looking for a new motherboard, CPU & 32GB Ram at the moment as my current set up is pretty ancient and probably nearing end of life.
My Core i7 3770k really struggles with latest titles such as Flight Sim 2020 hence a need for an upgrade. I tend to change my GFX card every 3 or so years. Got lucky and snagged an RTX 3060ti off OCUK when the first batch landed so that side is catered for. Lastly I game @ 1920 x 1080 so no super duper set up is required.
All suggestions would be much appreciated
I'm looking for a new motherboard, CPU & 32GB Ram at the moment as my current set up is pretty ancient and probably nearing end of life.
My Core i7 3770k really struggles with latest titles such as Flight Sim 2020 hence a need for an upgrade. I tend to change my GFX card every 3 or so years. Got lucky and snagged an RTX 3060ti off OCUK when the first batch landed so that side is catered for. Lastly I game @ 1920 x 1080 so no super duper set up is required.
All suggestions would be much appreciated
I think you'd be fine with a 6 core 12400f, based on this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDVBGseUUAU3EaH?format=jpg&name=large
Assuming 60 FPS minimum is your goal.
As the GamerNexus review mentions above, the i3-12100F is already performing surprisingly well even in CPU intensive games like Total War:Three Kingdoms.
DDR4 4000mhz is cheap these days, I'd go with a 16GB kit, like this one:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/patr...MI9I-D0OOp9QIVVuDtCh0wiQDuEAQYBSABEgJjpvD_BwE
If you get a motherboard with 4 RAM module slots, you can always add 2 additional modules later, if needed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDVBGseUUAU3EaH?format=jpg&name=large
Assuming 60 FPS minimum is your goal.
As the GamerNexus review mentions above, the i3-12100F is already performing surprisingly well even in CPU intensive games like Total War:Three Kingdoms.
DDR4 4000mhz is cheap these days, I'd go with a 16GB kit, like this one:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/patr...MI9I-D0OOp9QIVVuDtCh0wiQDuEAQYBSABEgJjpvD_BwE
If you get a motherboard with 4 RAM module slots, you can always add 2 additional modules later, if needed.
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