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If you think this has all been well handled and the club doesn’t look like a joke, then I may have the attention span of gnat but you’ve the IQ of one (joke)
We’re a laughing stock. Plain and simple.
Poll: Erik ten Hag Sack Watch & Next Manchester United Manager? Sacked. Ruben Amorim appointed.
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We’re a laughing stock. Plain and simple.
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Have been for a little while now...
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Credible reports today that Ratcliffe met with Tuchel recently to discuss the job, some saying he's ruled himself out, others that he's under consideration along with the other names mentioned.
This surely means ETH is gone, you don't have the owners meeting other managers, actively looking to replace him... and then decide to keep him. His position has been seriously undermined.
www.thetimes.com
This surely means ETH is gone, you don't have the owners meeting other managers, actively looking to replace him... and then decide to keep him. His position has been seriously undermined.
Sir Jim Ratcliffe meets Thomas Tuchel over Manchester United job
Manchester United part-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe holds face-to-face talks with German Thomas Tuchel as club look to clarify manager position by end of next week
www.thetimes.com
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Great Btec Klopp........
I am starting to think that Ineos are making the Glazers look like decent owners.
I am starting to think that Ineos are making the Glazers look like decent owners.
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Barca and Bayern have done exactly that in the last few months.
He's an upgrade on kindergarten klopp though
Is this all about getting ETH to quit so they can save paying him off?
Beyond it being clear that they don't back ETH, I'm really struggling to understand why Utd are allowing this to play out the way it is. It's either a case that they want to replace him but have no idea who with so are holding off sacking him until they've got a replacement lined up. Or that replacement (Southgate) is lined up but they can't appoint him yet due to the Euros so are delaying sacking ETH to keep the focus off the replacement. Or they want ETH to quit to save a few £.
Beyond it being clear that they don't back ETH, I'm really struggling to understand why Utd are allowing this to play out the way it is. It's either a case that they want to replace him but have no idea who with so are holding off sacking him until they've got a replacement lined up. Or that replacement (Southgate) is lined up but they can't appoint him yet due to the Euros so are delaying sacking ETH to keep the focus off the replacement. Or they want ETH to quit to save a few £.
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Or they're speaking to all the options before making a decision. Some are reporting that we've decided Tuchel isn't that option.
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Doesn't that fall under the first option I put forward? Unless of course you're disputing the starting point that they've already decided they want to replace ETH?
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I really don’t see the issue. Seems people would like us to come out and back the manager and then sack him in a few weeks as that’s the classy thing to do…
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The trying to get him to quit? No obviously not. You seriously think that they're trying to embarrass him? Don't be silly. All the articles are coming from other parties, not INEOS. Today it's Tuchel's crew. It's perfectly plausible that they've told ETH they're going to consider their options but haven't ruled out continuing with him.
Trying to get him to quit was just one of three options I put forward though. I'm not sure it's that silly either given how we've already seen how Ratcliffe has tried to get Utd staff to quit rather than making them redundant.
I'd have loved to have seen that hypothetical conversation too. No football club is going out speaking to potential new managers, let alone also telling their existing manager about it, if they have not already decided that the existing manager has no long term future at the club.
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Why not? Company takeovers make existing employees re-interview for their jobs all the time. Seems pretty reasonable to me for them to see what is out there, and if there is a better option before making a decision. We're only hearing about it because managers agents are leaking it, unfortunately we can't have any control of that. If it was INEOS trying to get ETH to quit the articles would be coming from Stone/Ornstein etc.
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What ever they are doing. They need to do it quick. United will be into pre season in a little over a month.
Problem is if they do keep ETH they are just setting him up to fail because the support this summer is going to be basically none existent.
I also worry a bit they cannot afford to sack ETH because of FFP a bit like when Leicester kept a hold of Rodgers for so long. Only sacking him at the last minute as desperation to stay up. Especially with the rumours that we have 35 million this summer and that's it.
Problem is if they do keep ETH they are just setting him up to fail because the support this summer is going to be basically none existent.
I also worry a bit they cannot afford to sack ETH because of FFP a bit like when Leicester kept a hold of Rodgers for so long. Only sacking him at the last minute as desperation to stay up. Especially with the rumours that we have 35 million this summer and that's it.
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To be fair it makes a fair degree sense to do as is being reported. Interview some candidates and see how they shape up against the incumbent. They have given ten Hag the respect of not being sacked without a full process. They may even have told ten Hag they plan to speak with other candidates as part of the review. Lets see what this week brings. I suspect there will be a decision one way or another.
Why not? You have got to be kidding with that first point. Because of everything we're seeing right now. Your own fans already beginning to turn on Ineos, calling the club a laughing stock and Mickymouse FC, let alone what rival fans are saying. You cannot compare the managerial position of one of the biggest football clubs in the world with <random position> at <random company> because those roles do not come with 0.0001% of the public scrutiny and they don't have 25 multimillionaires with massive egos working under them.
The message that all this sends out is loud and clear and it's that Ineos don't rate ETH. Anybody that doesn't believe that is kidding themselves. ETH has already struggled to deal with egos and tarts in the Utd dressing room and having his position undermined all summer will only make his job 10x harder next season, should he still be in a job.
And whether this particular story came from Utd's or Tuchel's end (I've seen Oli Kay, who has connections at Utd, in The Athletic write a variation of the same story) I'm not sure however there's been non stop stories around ETH's future from journo's at Utd's end. But anyway, I was merely thinking out loud. I struggle to see why Utd have allowed this to play out in the media the way they have and the only certainty I can take from this is they don't back ETH.
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Every fanbase has idiot fans, United have the biggest fanbase so have a lot of idiots. If you're judging INEOS by what a few idiots are saying then wow. We'd never get anywhere if we fail every time a fan says something stupid. I'm pretty sure INEOS don't give a **** what a minority of morons are saying on the internet and will take the time they need to make the decision, not rush to a decision to appease people that have no patience.
One thing's for sure, if they do now decide to keep Ten Hag and he somehow manages to make any sort of half decent start to the season, it'll be a minor miracle. The longer the uncertainty continues the more the cards are being stacked against any kind of successful continuation to his time at Old Trafford.
Personally, I didn't think there was a standout candidate to replace him. And seems maybe Ineos are in a similar boat, given they seem to be hedging their bets as much as possible. The longer they take, the more I think they'd have been better to back him now and quietly work on getting their ducks in order between now and January.
Personally, I didn't think there was a standout candidate to replace him. And seems maybe Ineos are in a similar boat, given they seem to be hedging their bets as much as possible. The longer they take, the more I think they'd have been better to back him now and quietly work on getting their ducks in order between now and January.