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Extra terrestrials. Do you believe?




If life happened once here on earth then surely on some other planet it happened too. If we found ET's then what would be the consequences for religion and us? After all the bible doesn't mention them. They would probably want to kill us, maybe eat us, then they would have a new planet to inhabit.

If the universe is infinite as some people think, then an infinite possible number of things will happen. I can't get my head around infinity but yet it's the logical conclusion regarding our existence. So if infinity is real, then so are ET's. More interesting though, if infinity is real then there are an infinite number of you and me's, all living slightly different lives. In one universe, JFK didn't get shot, in another, WW2 didn't happen.

Then there is a-biogenesis. How the hell did that happen. Life from no life? I guess this is one of the prime reasons that the religious have faith in god. I accept a-biogenesis but concede that for some people it's easier to just believe god did it. This begs the question though, where did god come from? Well we have evidence for life and a-biogenesis but we have none for god. Harry Potter was a good work of fiction, much better than the bible.
 
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The science of it is quite complex, but essentially, the rarer life is in the universe, the more likely we are to survive as a species.

There are many theories around the reasons that we have not found another lifeform yet. Varying from the likelyhood that most other lifeforms in the history of existence have probably killed themselves off once they reach a technological level where that becomes a possibility, to the possibility that life is quite common. Howvere they are clever enough not to advertise their presence in case other life forms are more advanced and therefore pose a risk to them.

Its even possible that life is relatively common, but sharing a timeline where two different evolutions of life are both close enough and able to communicate/travel in such a way that they might actually be able to make contact is just too unlikely.

Life may even be all around but has either evolved so far from the physical or so differently from our own path that we simply do not recognise it as "life".

The longer we survive alone, we are more likely to survive long enough to allow us to populate other areas of space and survive long enough to meet another species on equal terms.
 
I suggest watching/listening to videos by Issac Arthur on the tube....

His videos are not short but he does some really interesting videos about exploiting, living and travelling in space (and how to get there cheaper and faster from mavity wells like the earth). He has also done a whole series on the Fermi paradox which explores why we have not (yet) found evidence for the presence of inteligent life elsewhere despite the vastness of the universe..

And saying 'god did it' is an intellectual cop out......


And you explain precisely nothing by invoking a supernatural agent as you then have to account for the presence of the supernatural entity you have just invoked.....

I think the main problem people have with abiogenises (and evolution) is that people don't grasp how gradual a process it was... ..

The first steps towards 'life' would have likely been little more then self replicating chemicals the sort of which we have made in labs......

Early live on earth was massively simple compared to modern observable creatures with the first billion or so years of life on earth being uni cellular......
 
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I find it amusing that in America there are so many supposed alien sightings and yet no hard evidence. Seems to me like people just make stuff up. Attention seekers.
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People rationalise what they can't understand into the boogey man of the day. Now it just happens to be aliens.
Before it was demons, angels, monsters, dragons, etc.
 
As I see it,

Life, as in the very basic forms of live that populated the Earth for nearly 90% of its history is, to my mind, likley to be very common. Any water planet in the Goldilocks Zone of any age is almost certain to have to have abundant unicellular/algal type life.

And quite possibly many planets outside the Goldilocks zone provided heat and liquid water is available. I fully expect that some sort of life may one day be discovered in the watery moons of the outer planets and possibly even in the oceans of Uranus and Neptune (Though these planets will be far harder, possibly impossible, to explore)

However, the complex multi-cellular life seen later in the Earths evolution, particularly the sort of life seen after the Cambrian explosion is likely to be far rarer.

And life capable of developing the actual capability to travel through space to visit/populate other words is likely to be extremely rare. It is quite possible that we may well be the only current example in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

Though this does not preclude that other such life may have existed in the past and may yet exist in the future.

Before it was demons, angels, monsters, dragons, etc.
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There is of course some basis in fact for some/all of those things.

You don't think that Victorian paleontologists in stove pipe hats were the first people to ever find and dig up Dinosaur bones do you??

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You don't think that Victorian paleontologists in stove pipe hats were the first people to ever find and dig up Dinosaur bones do you??

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No. The Romans found dinosaur bones but didn't realise what they had found. In a million or so years, something will be digging up human bones and probably wondering what they were.
 
I like to head out to Rendelsham forest in my campervan and watch out for ufos. I haven't seen any though.

If you head to Dunwich forest you're sure to come across plenty of strange lifeforms cruising around looking for anal probes though.

I second those Isaac Arthur videos. They're really good.
 
I don't believe we have been visited. But the likelihood of there being intelligent life on other planets is high. However the Fermi Paradox is a concern and maybe one of the great filters is still ahead of us.
 
It's likely there is life somewhere out there considering how big the universe is, but I don't think any have been here.
 
As well as the Fermi Paradox, The Great Filter theory is also an interesting read. Quite terrifying, but interesting...

Edit: I see Hades has already mentioned it.
 
Do the large political circles, the so called human ellite, have an actuall interest to admit that we are not alone and that they have contacts with ETs?
And if so, why is this propaganda?
 
Until we understand the right conditions for life to occur and its origin, it's impossible to make an assessment. That being said, considering the fact that 4.5b years of history on this planet has lead to only one strain of life and only one species capable of creating a lasting culture, I would guess that life is either extremely rare (rare enough that we won't ever encounter another form) or it has randomly reached our planet and its point of origin is elsewhere.
 
Dolphins are also very smart but their "culture" is different, I gues they won't use their intelligence for human-type activities.
They are more like 'angles' who wish to live free lives across the oceans, similar to how birds would prefer to spend their time flying in the skies.
If you get what I mean :p

Technically, we understand the basic physical requirements for life to thrive on Earth - that is water, normal temperature, our atmosphere with its exact composition.
The thing that probably will take hundreds of years, is to understand how spiritual life is connected with the 'physical world' and whether the spiritual life can exist in different physical conditions and many other planets.
 
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They are more like 'angles'
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Yes **** those 90 degree Dolphins, the isosceles clan of Dolphin are much friendlier

As for real aliens

http://bgr.com/2018/05/17/octopus-aliens-cephalopods-research-study/

All hail our cephalopod overlords

And as for the potential of life

There's over 8 million different species on this planet (not including those who have gone extinct), 6million live on land 2 million in the sea some at unfathomable depths that would literally crush our fragile bodies

Just with birds alone there's 75 billion of them

Considering there's currently 100 billion galaxies in our known universe I'd say odds are high there's way more life out there

Unfortunately space is that massive though I doubt most will ever know of each others existence
 
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If life happened once here on earth then surely on some other planet it happened too. If we found ET's then what would be the consequences for religion and us? After all the bible doesn't mention them. They would probably want to kill us, maybe eat us, then they would have a new planet to inhabit.
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There is more than one religion on earth :p the Bible is fairly loose on that aspect though it doesn't mention anything specific but neither is there anything that rules it out specifically - there isn't much on the subject covered by the Bible where it would be relevant really. On the other hand it would seem somewhat of an omission even briefly touched on. Some other religions such as Zoroastrianism do cover aliens. Off the top of my head there are few religions that specifically rule them out.

There has been a theory recently that for most life forms as we'd recognise them to develop requires a fairly specific configuration of Phosphorus IIRC that isn't particularly common and that it needs to be factored into the Drake equation.

It is also very likely given how long the universe has existed and how long it seems to take for life to emerge that we are literally in very early days and that we really are one of the first instances of life emerging despite the scale of the universe.
 
I think they're certainly out there, but I don't think they've ever visited. The way I see it: if they're technologically advanced enough to make it to earth in the first place, then we must be like ants to them. Why even bother?

As for religion, aliens could visit earth and provide evidence that they made up all of the religions and gods as a sort of experiment to see which one would be most followed after thousands of years, and people still wouldn't give up their beliefs. :p
 
I always think that people should remember the dinosaurs when thinking about ET's.
They had hundreds of millions of years to evolve intelligence and they never did.
Maybe they didn't get a chance because of ELE's but none the less the whole universe could be teeming with life that's more like them or more like plants, that just don't develop in that sense.
 
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