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Sliver said:
Why is belief without evidence not moronic?
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That isn't the statement I commented on. You could (very likely) find some religious people far smarter than you, I'd not assume they're all morons even though I think religious beliefs are silly.
 
Well here we go, someone’s managed to turn this from an ET thread to discussing why people who follow religion are morons, this place beggars belief sometimes! by the way I do not follow or believe in any religion whatsoever I see religion as the root of evil and believe in science, but would never call someone a moron because the chose to believe in a god.
 
Given the sheer, unimaginable scale of the universe it would be rather arrogant to assume that the Earth is the only place that life managed to gain a foothold and flourish. Personally, I think we'll find life, or evidence of previous life, in our own solar system in the next couple of decades.

Has alien life ever visited Earth? Who knows? If a race is so technologically advanced that they can navigate across interstellar space then would we even know they're here, watching us. For all we know, their exploration probes could be on the nano-scale.
 
Our own galaxy is unbelievably vast while also insignificant when compared to the Universe. Add to that you have to take time into account. We as a specious barely register in the time line of our own planet much less the vastness of space.

The beginning and end of our planet earth is a blink of the eye in terms of the scope of the Universe.

Whereas I don’t believe in aliens having landed on Earth I would never state they don’t exist somewhere at some point in time. In what form they exist in is impossible to imagine. Just look at some of the extraordinary life that lives in the depths of our own oceans.
 
woppy101 said:
Well here we go, someone’s managed to turn this from an ET thread to discussing why people who follow religion are morons, this place beggars belief sometimes! by the way I do not follow or believe in any religion whatsoever I see religion as the root of evil and believe in science, but would never call someone a moron because the chose to believe in a god.
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I'm in the same boat in that religion holds no kind of spiritual enlightenment for me whatsoever. However I'll go devils advocate and say are science and religion actually converging? It's a given that religion is based on faith in that it doesn't require any evidence to be believed. Science is the polar opposite in that it is based on evidence or theory that is thrown out to the greater world to test, prove or disprove it's validity. However is science (or at least some areas of science) reaching the point where the theories are beyond our ability to test them? And if they can't be tested will we reach a point where theories and predictions are taken on "faith?" Some of the theories about the origins of our universe are already reaching the point where they stretch our ability to comprehend them. The discoveries coming from the quantum world may well be beyond our ability to ever fully understand.

As for ET I'm a believer. I'm not in the we've been visited and subjected to the anal probe camp. (though I suspect Crewe is where they drop the abductees off that they don't want to keep..:):) ) But at the rate we are now starting to discover other solar systems I think it's no longer a matter of will we find them but when. That said I suspect the time scales are likely to be much, much longer that we would hope and it may well be hundred or thousands of years before we have the technology to detect them? Because of the distances we may never make contact as such.
 
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I always wonder if we haven’t found life because we are looking for the foundations of the universe we believe are required for life.

What if we’ve missed things because they don’t abide by the rules we think of needed for life

Is such a thing even possible?
 
antijoke said:
I always wonder if we haven’t found life because we are looking for the foundations of the universe we believe are required for life.
What if we’ve missed things because they don’t abide by the rules we think of needed for life
Is such a thing even possible?
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It's much easier to look for some of the signs of life as we know it. Because unknown types of life are unknown we don't have a clue what signs to look for to detect them.
Close examination of other places has to focus on places that have the conditions we know are needed for life to exist. We don't know of any alternative conditions.
All the observable universe has been examined, if anything stood out as being the result of life as we can imagine it then it would have been noticed.
 
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Safetytrousers said:
All the observable universe has been examined, if anything stood out as being the result of life as we can imagine it then it would have been noticed.
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We find new species of animals/insects every day in our oceans and forest.
What make you think we have done a clean sweep through our universe and declared it void of life.
 
woppy101 said:
Well here we go, someone’s managed to turn this from an ET thread to discussing why people who follow religion are morons, this place beggars belief sometimes! by the way I do not follow or believe in any religion whatsoever I see religion as the root of evil and believe in science, but would never call someone a moron because the chose to believe in a god.
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Give yourself a pat on the back lad. Now jog on. You can't escape the truth that belief without evidence is moronic.
 
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Safetytrousers said:
All the observable universe has been examined, if anything stood out as being the result of life as we can imagine it then it would have been noticed.
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Not even close to being examined

You're also forgetting the laws of physics and the speed of light, anything we're observing now at the far reaches of the know universe is billions of years in the past and hundreds of millions for closer solar systems/galaxies

Hell when you look at the sun you're looking at how it was 8 minutes ago and the sun is relatively close in galactic terms
 
Sliver said:
This begs the question though, where did god come from?
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Like the royal wedding thread I fear this one will also get locked. Maybe it's all the alcohol consumed this weekend but the forum has become an even bigger joke just recently. Good job I'm here for the laughs.
 
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Sliver said:
Insulting members is not permitted on these forums. I have reported your post to the admins.
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But your calling everyone who believes in religion and has faith a moron so what’s the difference? As I have said I don’t believe what so ever in religion, but don’t feel the need to call someone a moron if they choose to have faith in religion. So I retract calling you a moron, your actually ignorant!
 
woppy101 said:
But your calling everyone who believes in religion and has faith a moron so what’s the difference?
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Can't you read ffs? I never said everyone who believes in religion is a moron. I said belief without evidence is moronic. Are you on drugs or something?
 
The is loads of life in the universe.

Think of an ocean from above, you don't see life yet once you enter its teeming with life. ;)
 
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