Poll: EU Referendum Voting Intentions

How do you intent to vote in the EU referendum

  • Yes - to stay in the EU

    Votes: 486 58.1%

  • No - to leave the EU

    Votes: 307 36.7%

  • Sepp Blatter

    Votes: 43 5.1%
  • Total voters
    836
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dalehitchy1 said:
And this is why I wish people knew a certain amount of info about the EU before voting. The amount of people that say "its just how I feel" and "there are no benefits at all" .... I read on the daily mail all the tine "we need to control our borders.... Lets leave the EU and join EEA and still get free trade"

Ermmm no.... EEA still has free movement. Anyway... I think its quite selfish to say "if there are downsides ill move on...." When there would be a whole generation of young people that would loose many opportunities.
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Hmm Its a bit late but.

There are a huge number of young people who are actually suffering very severe consequences of the EU ( I was in Scunthorpe during the election, It was a real eye opener!)

But at another level. How I "feel" is actually important.

If the only thing that mattered in 1939 was economics.

We should have allied our selves with the Germans!

Would the "economic" argument have made this the right thing to do?
 
dalehitchy1 said:
And this is why I wish people knew a certain amount of info about the EU before voting. The amount of people that say "its just how I feel" and "there are no benefits at all" .... I read on the daily mail all the tine "we need to control our borders.... Lets leave the EU and join EEA and still get free trade"

Ermmm no.... EEA still has free movement. Anyway... I think its quite selfish to say "if there are downsides ill move on...." When there would be a whole generation of young people that would loose many opportunities.
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thing is most people would have been perfectly happy with free movement right up until we let in

Slovakia,
hungry,
Poland,
Bulgaria,
Lithuania,
Romania,
Slovenia,

and the other **** holes that are of no real benefit to us to have free movement with.
 
Moses said:
These figures are awful, btw - yours from 2007 and mine from 2009! I'd look on the EU website for up-to-date ones if I wasn't watching Shutter Island :p.
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yeah im catching up on suits and cba.

but i stand by the point that the uk doesnt simply take from the EU
 
Tefal said:
thing is most people would have been perfectly happy with free movement right up until we let in

Slovakia,
hungry,
Poland,
Bulgaria,
Lithuania,
Romania,
Slovenia,

and the other **** holes that are of no real benefit to us to have free movement with.
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Nail. On. Head.

And the EU's lack of balls to deal with the amount of migrants coming over the Med from Africa.
 
jkb said:
And yet originally the EU was the common market which didn't include free movement of people. I can see no reason why there can't be zero duties on goods but no free movement of people.
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It isn't just goods, it's also services now. Services which makes up the lions share of our economy. Some require people to supply such services some don't.
 
Bear said:
It isn't just goods, it's also services now. Services which makes up the lions share of our economy. Some require people to supply such services some don't.
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You don't need free movement of people to sell services e.g. UK sells plenty of services to the USA but we don't have free movement between those two countries.
 
Tefal said:
thing is most people would have been perfectly happy with free movement right up until we let in

Slovakia,
hungry,
Poland,
Bulgaria,
Lithuania,
Romania,
Slovenia,

and the other **** holes that are of no real benefit to us to have free movement with.
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Not often I agree with you Tefal but you're spot on this time. I feel it's important to point out that it's not the people of these countries I'm against, it's the effect free movement has on the UK because these countries have such different economies to ours.
 
Tefal said:
thing is most people would have been perfectly happy with free movement right up until we let in

Slovakia,
hungry,
Poland,
Bulgaria,
Lithuania,
Romania,
Slovenia,

and the other **** holes that are of no real benefit to us to have free movement with.
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You should really be blaming it on all those poor hungry people buying our food and taking our women. :p
 
jkb said:
Why can't we have zero import duty and no free movement of people?
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I see others have already given good responses but I'll throw mine in is that EFTA probably will require this to become a member.

It's like every other club membership brings benefits but also has rules.

The UK could easily sort the immigration problem but instead blames someone else.

The tory back benchers also are very Anti-EU meanwhile they are probably shareholders in the companies that benefit most from skilled workers coming to the UK.

Low wages and skilled labour = cheaper products = more sales = growth.

The rest of the EU would not allow only the poaching of its most skilled workers.
 
joeyjojo said:
So much fuss about the EU "sucking us dry" when it's only 0.24% of GDP? 60 Euros per person?

That seems like an insignificant amount of money to be worrying about to me.

We're net contributors of a very modest sum that's going to development of our less well-off neighbours - I think that's a great thing and we should be very proud.
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Well said
 
joeyjojo said:
So much fuss about the EU "sucking us dry" when it's only 0.24% of GDP? 60 Euros per person?

That seems like an insignificant amount of money to be worrying about to me.

We're net contributors of a very modest sum that's going to development of our less well-off neighbours - I think that's a great thing and we should be very proud.
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I'm a firm believer in looking after the pennies, and the pounds will look after themselves. In any case, 60 Euro per person sounds like quite a lot to me, then again I believe that the 50p per person (or whatever it is) to maintain the Royal Family is too much.

It's all very well saying that we're helping our less well off neighbours, but I was reading at the weekend about how educational standards in Poland are now ahead of the UK's and one of the main reasons for that was the declining pupil:teacher ratio over there, and the increasing ratio here. So basically UK schools are over-stretched and paying the price thanks in part to uncontrolled immigration, while the country a lot of those immigrants are from are enjoying an easy life. Yes I'm all in favour of fixing our neighbour's fence if it has blown down, but now while my own house is on fire.
 
spudbynight said:
Why are 75% of your staff Polish?
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Probably because like for like they are harder working and more reliable than their UK equivalent. This is an overall average of course, there will always be exceptions.

I know a few people who run factories for landwork and for this type of hard manual work, for typically low pay, they have said for years that the immigrants (before the Eastern European influx it was the Portuguese and others before that) are far better employees than the English equivalent, even after taking into account any language barriers.

Part of the reason has been mentioned before though, young immigrant workers will put up with living (and working) conditions that our youngsters have been brought up to expect better, like living 8+ to a house, hot bedding and generally being treated like a disposable commodity.
 
Freakbro said:
Probably because like for like they are harder working and more reliable than their UK equivalent. This is an overall average of course, there will always be exceptions.

I know a few people who run factories for landwork and for this type of hard manual work, for typically low pay, they have said for years that the immigrants (before the Eastern European influx it was the Portuguese and others before that) are far better employees than the English equivalent, even after taking into account any language barriers.
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So you're saying he's racist then?

Freakbro said:
Part of the reason has been mentioned before though, young immigrant workers will put up with living (and working) conditions that our youngsters have been brought up to expect better, like living 8+ to a house, hot bedding and generally being treated like a disposable commodity.
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It's nothing to do with being brought up with expectations, conditions like you describe are part and parcel of transient labour. My cousin is currently working and living in conditions like that in New Zealand and he's had a comfortable, middle-class, UK upbringing. You can't expect people to live like that all their lives though, and nor should we.
 
scorza said:
So you're saying he's racist then?
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Wha? :confused: Where did that even come from?

It's nothing to do with being brought up with expectations, conditions like you describe are part and parcel of transient labour. My cousin is currently working and living in conditions like that in New Zealand and he's had a comfortable, middle-class, UK upbringing. You can't expect people to live like that all their lives though, and nor should we.
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*shrug* I wasn't giving a definitive reason as it's a multi-facted complex issue, but it doesn't detract from the fact that over the last 15+ years employers around here have found immigrant workers to be better than the UK equivalent, that's why they employ them.
 
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