Soldato
Because the principle of free movement of goods and services includes people to supply such services.
Poll: EU Referendum Voting Intentions
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Because the principle of free movement of goods and services includes people to supply such services.
Caporegime
I agree with you about people,paying in first I really do, but that is never going to happen in this country. It would end up a virtual humanitarian disaster with homeless teens and kids all over the place.
The fact is, immigrants coming to the UK and being eligible to the exact same benefits as a British citizens who's paid in for years is wrong to the core.
Yes, you may like to do that, but what about us who don't? We shouldn't stay in the EU just so people can travel about and live willy nilly. A very large portion of immigrants from the Eastern countries will choose the UK to live over all other countries, whereas the much smaller portion of UK emigrants will tend to scatter themselves wider, in places like, Spain, France, Italy, Germany. All bigger countries than the UK, with lower population density, yet the UK will continue to suffer higher immigration figures than it can possibly endure.
Caporegime
Interesting video of, what I think is a German satire show's take on a potential Brexit.
Just confirms my suspicions that the British pragmatic and logical view of the world is incompatible with the EU.
Just confirms my suspicions that the British pragmatic and logical view of the world is incompatible with the EU.
Caporegime
Quite obvious that we are just expected to do as we're told with no arguments. That wasn't Satire, that was just a blatant ****take about what we give Europe from the country that has given Europe two world wars and the worst genocidal nutter in history.
Germany want to be the centre of the EU, they pretty much want to control it, and with it, us.
Well that was Britain's fault for not being at the forefront of the EU in the first place, how dare we profess anything after being fair-weather about this whole thing...
Two sides of this coin i'm afraid.
Caporegime
So you're saying we just should roll over and bow to every EU demand?
Caporegime
Why would you expect the UK to be at the forefront of a project we fundamentally disagree with? The EU project will fail and I'd prefer it if the UK was as dis-integrated from it as possible when that happens.
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Very heartening that even a very right leaning forum is heavily 'yes'.
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And yet originally the EU was the common market which didn't include free movement of people. I can see no reason why there can't be zero duties on goods but no free movement of people.
Man of Honour
It's interesting you keep using the royal "we" to indicate "your" views.
The video was interesting though, I think it highlights how little influence we have in Europe which isn't surprising how the UK always takes and never gives back.
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lol right leaning forum, are we on the same forum?
I vote yes to leave the EU not yes to stay in.
I think though that the pro EU will always win because the EU will just spend £50 million on advertising and if it is a vote they don't like they just re do it.
yeah give nothing back except for being the second biuggest net contributer the uk gives nothing at all.
seems like the bottom 5 which i think most would think "why the hell did we let them in" wipe out any positive contribution though.
i think though if you took on that graph everyone above cyprus and said we want free movement between these countries you wouldnt get any complaints either.
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Caporegime
Great graph which just goes to show how we put in while the nations who burden us with thousands of immigrants take out. Look at Polands debt for christ sake. It's not surprising their prime minister is putting the block on Camerons benefit reforms.
We're being mugged off.
We're being mugged off.
Caporegime
Ok, what about Spain and Poland?
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Eh? So you think the free movement of goods and services was set up for market traders and window cleaners?
We can have zero duty/restrictions on BMWs being imported here without the need to allow Germans unfettered immigration rights to come and live here.
You seem to be under the impression that EU goods are only here because the countries that make them have physically sent over a team of employees to set up a factory to make them on UK soil.
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Soldato
I think those are from 2009.
"Net receipts from the EU budget, based on 2009 budget data"
In fact that page appears to have stats from different years.
EDIT: oh I can see I'm too late and this has been recognised above, sorry
In any case, for me at least, it's not actually about the amounts (by national standards these amounts are very small) it's about the principal
When i see how countries like Spain are STILL taking money from the EU after all this time and how corporate tax schemes like those run in Luxembourg and Ireland took so long to be looked at (in no small part due to the British btw) it makes me despair - the EU/single market rules should not have been manipulated like this imo.
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And this is why I wish people knew a certain amount of info about the EU before voting. The amount of people that say "its just how I feel" and "there are no benefits at all" .... I read on the daily mail all the tine "we need to control our borders.... Lets leave the EU and join EEA and still get free trade"
Ermmm no.... EEA still has free movement. Anyway... I think its quite selfish to say "if there are downsides ill move on...." When there would be a whole generation of young people that would loose many opportunities.
While I'm still on the fence about leaving(most likely stay) I would argue that if we left there would still be just as many opportunities as before. Leaving the EU doesn't mean we close our borders to everything. It would go on pretty much as it always has.
Although we may lose a few companies until I see how much tax they didn't pay I can't tell if it's a loss or not.
I would love to see facts and figures of an in vs out outcome yet that will never happen
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Edit: If those graphs up there are correct I would prefer to see EU membership only with countries akin to the powerhouses at the top. There seems to be little gain to inviting poorer countries.
Although we may lose a few companies until I see how much tax they didn't pay I can't tell if it's a loss or not.
I would love to see facts and figures of an in vs out outcome yet that will never happen
.Edit: If those graphs up there are correct I would prefer to see EU membership only with countries akin to the powerhouses at the top. There seems to be little gain to inviting poorer countries.
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