What makes you think it's any worse than what happens in the UK? Why isn't Lancs being fracked to build roads in Wales, for example? Decent federal arrangements make sensible balance between local interests and wider interests. Your hypothetical is basically bad fantasy; it does not reflect the reality of how federal countries anywhere in the world operate.
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What makes you think it's any worse than what happens in the UK? Why isn't Lancs being fracked to build roads in Wales, for example? Decent federal arrangements make sensible balance between local interests and wider interests. Your hypothetical is basically bad fantasy; it does not reflect the reality of how federal countries anywhere in the world operate.
Not quite. I'd rather Cameron stuck to what he originally said, which was there would be a referendum if renegoting our position wasn't successful. In fact I'm sure his position has only changed because of recent political scares.
No, you were being ridiculous.
We are subject to authority of people that don't share the same values as us every day, thats democracy.
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I'll tell you what we vote for, we vote only to empower the government, like good little slaves.
England will never leave the EU, at least not until it collapses or we are forced out by war.
How can Camoron promise us a referendum when the 2009 Lisbon treaty removed our constitution and gave the EU the power to close our Westminster Parliament?
Referendums are there to stop us rebelling, to keep our minds occupied, make the people think we have a choice with what on what goes on with OUR country, while they go on with their day to day business.
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I'm actually glad there is going to be a referendum. It's finally time to **** or get off the pot for the UK regarding the EU.
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Because we know that decisions made at a local level often result in better outcomes. The UK parliament is more local to west Lancs than the EU. At the moment, everyone is calling for more power to be devolved from Westminster to the regions (Scotland, Wales, the "Northern Powerhouse"), it makes zero sense to centralise other powers to Brussels.
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It's likely that the representatives of other nations won't share precisely the same values as our representatives will just as it's likely that you and I share different values in some respects.
However I don't think that the results from the FIFA elections are necessarily something to take as indicative of voting intentions for MEPs or the societal mores of the countries involved. It's probably fair to say that football governing body elections operate on a somewhat different level to the elections that give countries their representatives.
I think it's indicative of different values and cultures of different EU countries. Could you imagine in a million years a British FA chief voting for Blatter after what's happened this week?
I voted no Cameron's got no chance of getting anything substantial from the eu, the polish prime minister have already said they will not stand for his plans for curbs on benefits for immigrants. a key plank of the tory manifesto.
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If only he had the imagination (and majority) to put joining the Euro on the table, I imagine that would bring a lot of concessions from France and Germany. The rest will grumble and fall into line as always.
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No, I can't imagine the British FA voting for Blatter but I'm still not convinced that the respective football association chiefs of various nations necessarily represent the views of the people within those nations.
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If no concession is made to curb benefits for immigrants, then I don't see how anyone in their right mind could vote yes. It would be a disaster. Carrying on allowing every EU citizen the right to come here and claim benefits is sickening.
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Someone's got to live in my rental properties though. UK natives with jobs certainly don't want to squeeze 10 people in each of my 2 bed terraces.
Do you care as long as you get paid? Besides 10 is probably illegal.
Edit: that went over my head sorry lol.
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Well, let me ask you this question.
Why do we allow our own citizens to claim benefits without actually contributing first?
The only reason we can't enforce a delay on the EU nationals claiming benefits is that we have absolutely no delay or regulation on our own citizens.
Why should someone aged 16 be allowed to claim any sort of benefit just because they get pregnant and start a family they can't afford?
Why can one claim from what was 'national insurance' without contributing to such in the first place?
It isn't a solution, we can't stop such events occurring, but why have we at no point tried to mitigate against it?
Before bleeding hearts saying, I am going to take away form the poorest or the poor, those who can least afford, and so on, why would I be? I'd suggest we'd have significantly smaller amounts of young families, if they knew there wasn't going to be some form of penalty, and those who go from not bothering with education to immediately making themselves unemployable, if such benefits didn't exist, then they would very swiftly get into gainly training or education.
Then we wouldn't need to mitigate for those coming here, as they couldn't claim the benefits for the same period of time in the first place, why are we allowing our own to waste and claim in the first place?
Why would you want that? My eldest is hoping to do part of his degree in germany and I'd like to retire to the mainland hassle free and I like buying stuff hassle free on amazon.de, pulling out of the eu will be a massively backwards step.
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