Poll: EU Referendum Voting Intentions

[Burnsy2023]

If Greece leaves, and actually starts to do better outside the zone, then I suspect Spain will look seriously at that. The last thing Brussels wants is for Greece to leave and then do well, so I would expect them to be made an example of.

If Greece did exit, it would take a long time for them to dig them out of the hole they are in. You won't be seeing many green shoots this decade.

 

[scorza]

If Greece did exit, it would take a long time for them to dig them out of the hole they are in. You won't be seeing many green shoots this decade.

I'm not so sure, a massive devaluation of the drachma would immediately provide a boost for Greece's vital tourism industry and start to inflate away their debts. Not saying it's going to be an easy ride for them, but leaving the Euro has been the correct course of action for Greece right from the start.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Let's hear them then.

• The myriad of safety improvements in pretty much every product sold, not just in the UK but Europe wide.
• Easy and cheap access to highly skilled workers
• More unified justice, the European arrest warrant is a very useful tool for us as well as coordination in Police activities in Spain where many Brits try to evade justice.
• Strengthened employment rights

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Things will get worse inside the EU, there will be another sceptic rise as frankly Spain is doing no better than Greece and Italy now has a huge immigration issue.

The Italian economy wasn't do much better than Spain and Greece before they became Club Med for North Africa.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I'm not so sure, a massive devaluation of the drachma would immediately provide a boost for Greece's vital tourism industry and start to inflate away their debts. Not saying it's going to be an easy ride for them, but leaving the Euro has been the correct course of action for Greece right from the start.

Their issues are structural, they will need lots of reforms to move forward. Tourism whilst a large part of their economy won't be enough by itself, even with a huge devaluation.

 

[phil675]

• Easy and cheap access to highly skilled workers

Come on.

 

[dunker]

Perhaps initially. But I think when you see what mess Greece will be in 2017, it may be used a cautionary story of why not to leave.

what i'm thinking too, we'll prolly be having lots of bbc coverage of how bad greece has become since it left the eu.

 

[StriderX]

Their issues are structural, they will need lots of reforms to move forward. Tourism whilst a large part of their economy won't be enough by itself, even with a huge devaluation.

Industry is covered elsewhere, the west can only truly survive on services, the UK only has 24-25% of GDP in industry itself.

While Greece has neither at this point, it really only ever will have a tourism industry, unless some overly nice business(wo)men feel pity for the poor southerners.

I feel perhaps that the EU could wipe their debt from the ECB if Greece took most of the migrants, but that wont happen... without inciting the far-right again. I'm afraid that unless the EU wants to simply prop-up useless nations, Greece is more or less (again) a condemned nation.

 

[TwsT]

There is no way the average person can make an informed decision on something as complex as this, no matter how spoon fed information is.

My thoughts entirely

you should also be excluded from voting if do you do any of the following

1. Read the dail mail for anything other than your personal amusement.
2. Watch goggle box
3. Vote in xfactor or similar
4. Empathise with a character in one of those horrendous towie type shows..
5. Support arsenal


The above is of course a joke everyone who is eligible to vote should vote. It does concern me how easily the media could sway this vote either way and I don't think the general public should be trusted with it but since we are probably going ahead with it i hope everyone gets involved.

 

[anything I don't mind]

We should just leave the EU without a vote. We went in to it without a vote, why do we need a vote to get out of it?

 

[Burnsy2023]

Why not do that without free movement of people? That's the thing Eurosceptics hate more than anything. Why couldn't we just match European safety standards so we can still trade easily as our products would be EU compliant - I know we wouldn't have influence in the drafting and alteration of them in the future, but would you really worry about not being able to have a say in the safety standards the EU without us would create?

You have to admit, it is a success story though.

And if we didn't have that flow of labour perhaps we'd have companies here investing in our people and training them, rather than shipping people in?

I hear this a lot and if it held water we wouldn't still have labour shortage in skilled, professional jobs. Take nurses and doctors, there is an acute shortage in this country to the point that even the EU doesn't have enough to fill our gaps. Especially when you look at the doctor gap, these are well paid jobs that we simply haven't been able to skill up and recruit domestically. If people wanted to do these jobs then why aren't they doing them?

We could do this outside of the EU, couldn't we?

What if we left and said we weren't going to weaken employment rights?

A lot of what the EU does we could do ourselves, but would we? There is a much longer term focus with a lot of EU legislation which you don't get domestically. I don't think we'd have the right we have without the EU, perhaps we won't remove them but I don't think we'd be anywhere near as progressive.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Come on.

When you look at any highly skilled job like finance, IT, healthcare or research you'll see members from all over Europe. You simply can't fill this in the UK and the EU undoubtedly makes this easier to recruit talent to the UK.

 

[Burnsy2023]

We should just leave the EU without a vote. We went in to it without a vote, why do we need a vote to get out of it?

Probably because the majority of people don't want to get out of it?

 

[StriderX]

I hear this a lot and if it held water we wouldn't still have labour shortage in skilled, professional jobs. Take nurses and doctors, there is an acute shortage in this country to the point that even the EU doesn't have enough to fill our gaps. Especially when you look at the doctor gap, these are well paid jobs that we simply haven't been able to skill up and recruit domestically. If people wanted to do these jobs then why aren't they doing them?

Maybe if the profession was paid well enough, maybe if the government cared about the education system (they don't), maybe if there was an actual pressure to domestically deal with it (there isn't, because its so easy to find willing doctors from other nations...).

Government simply doesn't care, they want the NHS gone, regardless of the fecal matter that spews out to say otherwise.

I don't mind it when the vetting process is sound, but i hardly doubt it always is, which is an issue regardless if the service is public/private.

 

[anything I don't mind]

Probably because the majority of people don't want to get out of it?

These decisions should not be put to the vote because people are too stupid to know what is the correct choice to make. Most people know nothing about the EU or its implications. Do you realy want the same people voting on and watching Britain got talent to be deciding the economic future of your country? If we were not given a vote to enter it, why should it be so difficult to get out of it? Cameron just needs to say that he is leaving and that is it. Life will go on.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Why not do that without free movement of people? That's the thing Eurosceptics hate more than anything. Why couldn't we just match European safety standards so we can still trade easily as our products would be EU compliant - I know we wouldn't have influence in the drafting and alteration of them in the future, but would you really worry about not being able to have a say in the safety standards the EU without us would create?

It's an option but worth remembering that if you have to implement the standards without the opportunity to influence them then there is the possibility that they may (either inadvertently or purposely) be an effective means of protectionism for those outside the group.

We could do this outside of the EU, couldn't we?

It's certainly possible to do, before the European Arrest Warrant extradition was possible but it's now easier and doesn't involve negotiating agreements with dozens of individual countries.

What if we left and said we weren't going to weaken employment rights?

The question was to name success stories so Burnsy2023 has listed a few, you appear to have taken the question to be "could the UK have done these things by itself?". As also pointed out the ability to do something doesn't mean that it will be done.

We should just leave the EU without a vote. We went in to it without a vote, why do we need a vote to get out of it?

If you think it was wrong to enter the EU without a vote why would it be good to exit it without a vote? That's just perpetuating the wrong approach isn't it?

 

[Burnsy2023]

Maybe if the profession was paid well enough, maybe if the government cared about the education system (they don't), maybe if there was an actual pressure to domestically deal with it (there isn't, because its so easy to find willing doctors from other nations...).

That's the point, it's not easy to find willing doctors from other nations. We've had this labour gap for many years and we're still not able to fill it. Moving out of the EU would just make this problem even worse.

 

[Burnsy2023]

It's certainly possible to do, before the European Arrest Warrant extradition was possible but it's now easier and doesn't involve negotiating agreements with dozens of individual countries.

The other thing about having a common treaty is that the process is well understood and much faster than any other extradition. Extradition from other nations where we have agreements can take years, in the EU you can have them back in the country in weeks or months.

 

[anything I don't mind]

If you think it was wrong to enter the EU without a vote why would it be good to exit it without a vote? That's just perpetuating the wrong approach isn't it?

I think it seems the reasonable approach. What is unreasonable is to enter without a vote then make it next to impossible to leave because of voting corruption, massive pro eu propaganda and the rest. If Cameron has the power to leave then he should just do that without the population voting on it.

 

[Hagar]

These decisions should not be put to the vote because people are too stupid to know what is the correct choice to make. Most people know nothing about the EU or its implications. Do you realy want the same people voting on and watching Britain got talent to be deciding the economic future of your country? If we were not given a vote to enter it, why should it be so difficult to get out of it? Cameron just needs to say that he is leaving and that is it. Life will go on.

The population is no more intelligent or educated in general than in 1975. They had the vote then so why not now.

Two generations later, it is not unreasonable to renew the mandate.