Poll: EU Referendum Voting Intentions
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Hell will freeze over before that happens. Even though it would be better than total freedom of movement, which is unsustainable at current levels.
It's funny how they only bother to "resist" TTIP when it gives them a chance to grandstand their loutish behaviour in the European Parliament but weren't even able to manage a position on it prior to the General Election?
TTIP needs to go die in a fire. I'm hopeful that there's another EU-wide opposition to bring the whole thing down.
That's not how power works.
I could enact 50,000,000 laws regarding the labels of baked beans cans & it wouldn't 'overpower' one singular important rule on say taxation policy.
Scorza? Any chance of a response? Thought not.
Please can you outline your main concerns, with evidence that they're really and not just wild assumptions. Thanks in advance.
Pretty tough to do when the lobbyists and banksters won't even show a full copy to the US Senate or Congress, all I have to go on are the snippets various European politicians and the odd Ron Paulite from the US bravely leak to the citizens and subjects of the world.
GMO's are just a desperate yank attempt to replace the lost petro dollar with a food dollar by patenting food, clean water next.
There's NO place in a democracy for secret legally binding trade treaties especially when they've been written by spivs and shysters.
The left wing case for leaving the EU
Should be an interesting read for those who are more concerned with being 'right on' than doing what's in Britain's best interests.
Should be an interesting read for those who are more concerned with being 'right on' than doing what's in Britain's best interests.
You can't post that it will make heads pop off.
The way the media and people in this thread are going about it only the "right" will be voting to leave
That was as weak as the did Hitler die rubbish I just watched watched on 5hd.
I know, its ridiculous. It can be argued that the EU in itself is quite a "right wing" organisation. It's interested in improving (monopolising) trade and capitalism for those that are most invested in it (the US), and pushing the interests of localities further down the pecking order and devaluing local democracies.
I can certainly see benefits to the "principle of an EU", but it seems very broken at the moment. I'm mostly bothered by the affects it's having on liberalism. Things are OK at the moment, but i'd hate to think how it may progress and just how small the general public's voice will become
I am pretty sure the UK would be worse off for leaving, but on pure principle i'd like to see some strong opposition to the de facto power groups that are emerging.
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So looking at the poll, it looks closer than many expected. It's quite obvious that this forum is more right leaning than the UK population at large. I looked at the OcUK exit poll and compared it to the UK Vote Share on the BBC
My results are quick and dirty but it looks like the Conservatives are over represented here by about 8% and labour is under represented by around 9%. I'm not sure how that could directly relate to the poll above, but it's interesting none the less.
CON 8.22%
GRN 1.86%
LAB -9.41%
LD 0.72%
SNP 1.14%
UKIP 1.16%
My results are quick and dirty but it looks like the Conservatives are over represented here by about 8% and labour is under represented by around 9%. I'm not sure how that could directly relate to the poll above, but it's interesting none the less.
CON 8.22%
GRN 1.86%
LAB -9.41%
LD 0.72%
SNP 1.14%
UKIP 1.16%
I'm a bit confused as to how you generated these numbers they don't seem to match up with my back-of-an-envelope sums. Even so, if we take them as a ballpark and assume 100% of UKIPpers want to leave and 15% of Tory voters want to leave while 2/3rds will base their decision on the outcome of negotiations (let's assume half-and-half on how they'd vote now) we can estimate that the poll should over-estimate the No vote by around 6 percentage points. Which would make it a 69-31 lead after correction and removing don't knows; rather differently skewed to the 55-45 that YouGov polling suggests and in a surprising suggestion given the tone of this forum.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33164924?ocid=socialflow_facebook
If the Greek Default happens (which, I think its all but a certainty) I think the swing of the general public will go massively to leaving despite the UK's relatively little exposure to the Greek debt.
If the Greek Default happens (which, I think its all but a certainty) I think the swing of the general public will go massively to leaving despite the UK's relatively little exposure to the Greek debt.
The thing is even if we get an unlikely No to Europe then like Ireland had to we'll have another referendum until we get a Yes.
Cameron will not allow this country to leave Europe under any circumstances.
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Perhaps initially. But I think when you see what mess Greece will be in 2017, it may be used a cautionary story of why not to leave.
Depends on the fallout I'd say - if things get even worse for Greece following a Euro/EU exit then Osborne will just say "we'll be like Greece if we leave the EU" - even though it's not true it worked in 2010. If things get worse inside the rest of the EU, and Greece actually starts to improve following a Grexit, then that might push the UK towards a No vote.
If Greece leaves, and actually starts to do better outside the zone, then I suspect Spain will look seriously at that. The last thing Brussels wants is for Greece to leave and then do well, so I would expect them to be made an example of.
I also agree with the above, if the UK had the 'wrong' vote, then we would have another one until the 'required' outcome was delivered...
I also agree with the above, if the UK had the 'wrong' vote, then we would have another one until the 'required' outcome was delivered...
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There are lots of Sun readers out of there who would buy this.
I agree and it's not something that has happened yet. The EU has a lot of success stories that need to be communicated.
Let's hear them then.
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