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How does being out of the EU help/hinder this? This is an issue regardless of EU membership.
Poll: EU Referendum Voting Intentions
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How does being out of the EU help/hinder this? This is an issue regardless of EU membership.
It makes not a jot of difference.
However I can't help but blame the French for the chaos at Calais this week. Allowing French strikers to set burning tires on the tracks and motoroway. Unbelievable. Did you read about the number of arrests relating to that? Oh that's right. Nil.
However I can't help but blame the French for the chaos at Calais this week. Allowing French strikers to set burning tires on the tracks and motoroway. Unbelievable. Did you read about the number of arrests relating to that? Oh that's right. Nil.
Cameron's reform approach was utterly retarded from the start. The EU can be reformed, of course, but to do it Cameron needed to build strong relationships in Europe and persuade other leaders to his side. This takes time. Instead, he hamstrung himself from the start with his absurd decision to pull the Tories from the EPP and thus sideline their influence and diplomatic ability in the European parliament and since taking power he's consistently failed to build and maintain the necessary relationships instead acting like a petulant child while spewing nonsense rhetoric. Now, finally, he's painted himself into a corner with a promise of a referendum on a timescale that simply doesn't allow him to negotiate the reforms that he wants.
But the inability of Cameron to be a competent diplomat has little impact on the real questions here. It remains solidly in the British interest and the interest of the British people to remain in the EU. The single "killer app" of freedom of movement with the EU is enough to sway me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3140343/Romanian-gangs-mount-bonnets-cars-50mph-form-human-chains-steal-lorries-audacious-raids-UK.html
Romanian crime here out of control say police.
Romanian crime here out of control say police.
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Why is freedom of movement so important to you?
I think the pollsters are actually conditioning people.
you know how everyone are like sheep right, basically pollster says 75% of people are voting to stay in Europe = all the sheep want to do what the majority are just following the crowd, if you vote no and everyone else votes yes it's a wasted vote kinda thing.
wouldn't surprise me with how fickle modern people are with no one wanting to be an outsider
Don't worry m8 if any ****** are local to you they will keep the Romanians under control as slave labour rather than have competition
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For me, it's because I use it - all the time.
Because it's awesome that we can freely live, travel and work in such a huge area with such diversity and such opportunities and fantastic that people from these areas can come and freely work with us.
I hope to live and work on the continent, at least for a while, when I finish my PhD.
British people live and work around the world, not just on the continent. This is the sort of thing I expect Cameron's pro-EU arguments will threaten, but I doubt that Brits will suddenly become unemployable on the continent should the UK leave the EU.
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Travelling would be exactly the same even if we left.
As long as you have a passport, you can go anywhere.
I know it's nice to be able to work where you want, but it's not working in our favour overall. There may be thousands of Brits working in Europe, but they are spread around countries like France, Germany, Spain, Italy and more, whereas all the immigrants to the UK obviously are all concentrated on this quite small island. If you was to look at the area in which Brits are scattered throughout the EU compared to the UK area, you would see that the balance is badly off.
As long as you have a passport, you can go anywhere.
I know it's nice to be able to work where you want, but it's not working in our favour overall. There may be thousands of Brits working in Europe, but they are spread around countries like France, Germany, Spain, Italy and more, whereas all the immigrants to the UK obviously are all concentrated on this quite small island. If you was to look at the area in which Brits are scattered throughout the EU compared to the UK area, you would see that the balance is badly off.
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Exactly.
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You're apparently counting all immigrants as one amorphous blob when the come to the UK i.e. whatever country they're from they're all concentrated here but when you look to other countries with immigrants you're only counting the Brits and ignoring that they may have migrants from a variety of other countries. It's hardly a fair comparison when put in those terms - if you're going to pick out Britons going to another country as being a specific case then you'd have to do so for individual nationalities coming to Britain as well.
You can make arguments for and against free movement of people and immigration but you need to be comparing like for like in order to make it worthwhile doing so.
Yes.
And if you think it doesn't make any difference why do you think it's such a big deal to get rid of?
Depends what you're travelling for, and what you do when you get there.
Getting more immigrants in this country is a positive not a negative. Immigrants make great contributions to our economy and society.
But for some people, it isn't good.
Positive for who?
Me, personally? Yes, I'd be fine but the conditions under which I will be searching would be more difficult and more constrained since residency would be tied to employment making it more difficult to leave to a new job if, or when, I want. There's also the question of the availability of funding, for example there's plenty of US-only fellowships and postdocs whereas the EU ensures I can apply in any country. And then there's the issue of bringing partners and other family with you: for example, if I got a job in the US, my partner would not be allowed to work in the US unless she also finds a job willing to separately apply for a visa for her. This is simply not an issue in the EU.
Perhaps, or perhaps we'd just find by being more hostile to immigrants we discourage more of the ones we do want. And that's even assuming we've got some sensible basis for deciding who we do or don't want.
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