Who, exactly?
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Who, exactly?
LOL if that was the case why is every single country in Europe desperate to make sure that the Med boat people don't settle in their country?
Edit: also why are Poland and other eastern European countries encouraging their citizens to emigrate abroad? If immigration was a win-win, you'd think they'd want them to stay and indeed attract immigrants to their own countries?
Because of political opposition from people like you.
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Mr Jacks username is very appropriate, as in the phrase "Pull the ladder up Jack, I'm alright"
I and most other people look to what's good for the country as a whole. You seem to only care about what's good for you and others do not matter as long as the rules suit you.
I and most other people look to what's good for the country as a whole. You seem to only care about what's good for you and others do not matter as long as the rules suit you.
On the contrary, you and most other xenophobes ignore what's good for the country as a whole because the EU immigrans have a positive financial impact, they literally make the UK richer. If that isn't good for the country as a whole, I don't know what is.
You also complain about the 'loss of identity' and other imaginary threats related to traditionalism but if you look at history you can easily see why that threat isn't real. A few decades ago, the Irish were threatening the country's identity yet it seems Britain survived, just like it will survive the 'onslaught' of the Eastern Europeans.
I'm all for staying in the EU.
People tend to only see the negative side of the EU (Thanks Media!) instead of the positive side.
Immigrants are GOOD for the country and it's been proven time and time again but as per usual, people never listen and think it's all made up (It's like Climate Change all over again!)
Just because these people exercise their right for free movement and you don't doesn't make them bad people. They want a better life and they feel the UK is the best place to have that new start and we should be proud of that fact.
People tend to only see the negative side of the EU (Thanks Media!) instead of the positive side.
Immigrants are GOOD for the country and it's been proven time and time again but as per usual, people never listen and think it's all made up (It's like Climate Change all over again!)
Just because these people exercise their right for free movement and you don't doesn't make them bad people. They want a better life and they feel the UK is the best place to have that new start and we should be proud of that fact.
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Leftie liberal claptrap.
Immigrants are good for the country to a point. But at what point do we say, that's it. We've reached our max. The answer, it doesn't matter. All the time we're in the EU, more and more and more migrants will arrive, and we have no choice but to allow it.
Having no control over your own borders is scandalous.
Cheap foreign labour is good for big business, that doesn't mean it is good for the people of the country.
No-one denies that immigrants contribute to the economy, although it's difficult for them not to especially if they're healthy and of working age (more people = more GDP = growth). However the economic argument is only part of the argument (and one that isn't as convincing as you might think). What about class sizes in British schools? They're growing fast and in many cases exceeding the government's recommendation of no greater than 30. There are cases now of kids being told they can't attend their local school because demand is too high, and so have to travel up to an hour away.
Meanwhile in Poland, their education system is improving rapidly thanks in part to smaller class sizes due to emigration.
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The housing situation scares me. We need so much housing now that i worry that England's green and pleasant land will be reduced drastically over the next 50 or so years.
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I think you might be underplaying the ease with which you can get a visa to stay in those countries. It may well be a less tricky ask than to get a US visa but aside from the young persons visa then as I understand it there are often conditions attached about needing a job offer to get the visa and it may be tied to a job at a specific company so if you don't like the company then it's either tough luck or you need to find another company willing to sponsor you for the visa - not impossible but hardly as easy as in the EU with free movement. It's been a while since I've looked into it with any degree of interest but I'd be a bit surprised if it's massively easier now than it was, particularly with Australia's current attitude to immigration.
Possibly I missed your answer before but when you said you were solidly pro-EU before I asked what you thought were the stronger arguments in favour of it because in almost all cases you seem to be arguing against any positions put in favour of it without giving what you actually think stands up as a good argument for the EU.
So would you be saying that in effect the Polish children educated in the UK are likely to get a worse education than those staying in Poland?
Although worth noting that rapidly improving is a comparative metric e.g. if it was starting from a particularly low base then it's easier to improve than if you're already pretty good. I've got no idea how good or bad the Polish education system was before but saying it's rapidly improving without noting the starting position might not mean all that much.
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Oops wrong thread.
Several studies here and abroad have been quite definite that the economic benefits of immigration is negligible when all factors are taken into consideration not just the sexy bits the BBC and the Guardian constantly push.
A House of Lords study stated :
No, I'm saying that the British state school system is getting worse directly as a result of uncontrolled immigration. More kids and the same amount of capacity in the education system - more strain on the service and poorer outcomes.
aren't they only a benefit if they are earning north of 35,000
unless you employ them or rent out properties ofcourse
I've been accused of some stupid things in my time on this site but this one really does take the biscuit.
Our failure to deal with these refugees is utterly shameful particular on the part of the UK. That aside, the issue of refugees is almost completely separate from economic migration and has deeply different consequences.
I doubt your facts.
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Explain then?
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