European court: You are allowed to resell your steam games

Well then maybe you shouldn't have bought them in the first place.

Personally I do agree with allowing people to sell games that are digitally activated however I only agree with it when there is a physical copy involved.

Why ?
This is like someone saying you can't resell a cd or lp...
 
This is only going to hurt the developers hard. People will be passing games to and fro all the time and there will be much less money actually going to the developers.

Sure, its nice to get a cheap game 2nd hand, but think of the bigger picture :(

Every other industry in the world ever seems has had to deal with a second hand market, I'm sure gaming will do just fine. You don't see the CEO of Ford constantly bitching to the press about second hand sales do you? (do you?)
 
Every other industry in the world ever seems has had to deal with a second hand market, I'm sure gaming will do just fine. You don't see the CEO of Ford constantly bitching to the press about second hand sales do you?

They do have to but not in anywhere near the same way.

For starters you won't find a ford dealership selling second hand fords right next to the new ones.

Next you've got the fact a second hand game is functionally identical to a new game, unlike a car a game does not degrade with age beyond being damaged by the owners in which case they won't be sold anyway.

Also when was the last time you bought a second hand DVD or CD from one of the major retailers or supermarkets or even saw them for sale?

Why ?
This is like someone saying you can't resell a cd or lp...

Did I not just say I was fine with physical copies?

Just for reference I am generally against the current state of second hand game sales, however I consider it a problem as a result of the high prices of games. Unfortunately the reason for the high price is actually justified due to the much smaller demographic of games compared to the only realistic comparison to the games industry which is film, however film has multiple avenues for profit such as cinema, rentals, tv all on top of DVD/BR sales. Games only have one realistic avenue which is direct sales, with rental only now getting bigger with things like netflix/lovefilm etc.

Unfortunately it is not as simple as "Other industries have a second hand market therefore it's fine" because it isn't, the second hand game market is almost unique in the way it functions.
 
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They do have to but not in anywhere near the same way.

For starters you won't find a ford dealership selling second hand fords right next to the new ones.

Next you've got the fact a second hand game is functionally identical to a new game, unlike a car a game does not degrade with age beyond being damaged by the owners in which case they won't be sold anyway.

Also when was the last time you bought a second hand DVD or CD from one of the major retailers or supermarkets or even saw them for sale?



Did I not just say I was fine with physical copies?


Just for reference I am generally against the current state of second hand game sales, however I consider it a problem as a result of the high prices of games. Unfortunately the reason for the high price is actually justified due to the much smaller demographic of games compared to the only realistic comparison to the games industry which is film, film has multiple avenues for profit such as cinema, rentals, tv all on top of DVD/BR sales.

£45-50 for an AAA game you cannot resell if not justifiable. Period.
 
£45-50 for an AAA game you cannot resell if not justifiable. Period.

Why not? I would love to hear your reasoning.

We pay ~£10 to see a film at the cinema that we can only see once, we pay around that for a DVD which we can watch as many times as we like, that film will last ~2 hours, why is it unreasonable for something that costs a similar amount to produce yet will last anywhere up to 100 hours and beyond in some cases to sell for more? How many AAA games do you know that last less than say 6-10 hours? That's not even including multiplayer.
 
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I'd love for this to apply to Steam. I have a bunch of games on my Steam account that I've never played and will never play, and being able to give them away would make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
 
Doubtful, their already low prices and largely digital distribution means it won't really effect them directly.
My point is that Indie games do not sell as many as the latest blockbuster, therefore trading of their games could be rather damaging as a result because they are not making as much on their product.
 
does this apply to none games as well? ie can you resell oem copies of windows with this ruling as well?
 
Couldn't you just 'sell' a game to a mate for 1p and then buy it back for 1p after they've finished it?
 
Why not? I would love to hear your reasoning.

We pay ~£10 to see a film at the cinema that we can only see once, we pay around that for a DVD which we can watch as many times as we like, that film will last ~2 hours, why is it unreasonable for something that costs a similar amount to produce yet will last anywhere up to 100 hours and beyond in some cases to sell for more? How many AAA games do you know that last less than say 6-10 hours? That's not even including multiplayer.

his reasoning is simple. you can resell the DVD yet you cant resell the game in 99% of cases.

also, have you played some of the FPS AAA titles recently? granted i dont play many FPSs but i dont own a single one where the single player aspect lasted me more than 10 hours. the only games i have that lasted me more than 10 hours are driving games and a few 3rd person shooters (GTAIV at ~20 hours and the just cause series)
 
Interesting but what happens if the EU push hard enough and Valve just say 'Ho Hum' and pull the plug on Europe.
 
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