European Grand Prix 2010, Valencia Street Circuit - Race 9/19
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Soldato
Indeed Memphis 
, and CS|Nuts lack of posting is rather worrying!
, and CS|Nuts lack of posting is rather worrying!
Indeed Memphis
It's not that worrying. Everytime a redbull touches another redbull they sacrifice 20 employees to the energy drink gods.
You've just gotta look busy when they do the selection.
Race preview @ F1 Fanatic - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/06/...tch-mclaren-and-red-bull-european-gp-preview/
Soldato
Great post Acid
Another Mclaren 1-2 on the cards I think. Unless Ferrari has their big upgrade working.
Another Mclaren 1-2 on the cards I think. Unless Ferrari has their big upgrade working.
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I still think that Vettel can win this race. IMO, he should've won virtually every dry race so far this season, but due to poor decisions and unreliability, he has suffered.
In Canada, he should've won, but RBR chose to qualify with the harder tyres, which didnt work in their favour, during the race.
In Turkey, had RBR managed to get clear instruction to Webber, Vettel would've won that, too.
Add this to the fact that RBR still undoubtedly have the best car, it's difficult to ignore Vettel.
Hamilton, IMO is the driver of the year so far and given that he has a good car, he also has a great chance of winning.
My Predictions
Dry Race: Vettel and Hamilton both have an equal chance of winning this race.
Wet/damp Race: Button, marginally ahead of Hamilton.
In Canada, he should've won, but RBR chose to qualify with the harder tyres, which didnt work in their favour, during the race.
In Turkey, had RBR managed to get clear instruction to Webber, Vettel would've won that, too.
Add this to the fact that RBR still undoubtedly have the best car, it's difficult to ignore Vettel.
Hamilton, IMO is the driver of the year so far and given that he has a good car, he also has a great chance of winning.
My Predictions
Dry Race: Vettel and Hamilton both have an equal chance of winning this race.
Wet/damp Race: Button, marginally ahead of Hamilton.
On the Ferrari Upgrade:
I shall believe it when I see it. Developing a car in computer simulations is entirely different to succeeding in the real world
The best example has to be the F-Duct, which McLaren are using to great effect this year. No other team, despite spending lots of time and effort developing/copying it, has actually succeeded in implementing the F-Duct to the same level as McLaren.
In the same way, even though Ferrari shall have the revised exhaust system, it doesnt mean that it will give them the same sort of gains enjoyed by RBR. The same goes for McLaren's revised exhaust, which will be introduced at Silverstone.
I shall believe it when I see it. Developing a car in computer simulations is entirely different to succeeding in the real world
The best example has to be the F-Duct, which McLaren are using to great effect this year. No other team, despite spending lots of time and effort developing/copying it, has actually succeeded in implementing the F-Duct to the same level as McLaren.
In the same way, even though Ferrari shall have the revised exhaust system, it doesnt mean that it will give them the same sort of gains enjoyed by RBR. The same goes for McLaren's revised exhaust, which will be introduced at Silverstone.
Soldato
I think alonso on pole but a dnf due the issue with the new pipes.
Renault and Mercedes to bring their versions as well this weekend!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84702
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84702
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Bit of a stretch that! Earlier in the season I might have agreed with you, but more recent races tell a different story.
You mean despite qualifying behind his teammate? Why wouldn't Webber (who also happens to be ahead in the WDC) have won it?
You mean if the team had given him the win through orders instead of him driving into his own teammate?
At the start of the season many people thought very highly of Vettel, but he's beginning to look overrated. He can lead from the front in a superior car very well (though even then he's been beaten by his team-mate in the same situation) but he doesn't seem to have the ability to win races from the 2nd or third row of the grid, and we have yet to see him pull any great overtaking maneuver at all.
I loled in the Canada race when he asked over the radio 'Do I have to overtake these guys to win?' - the next Shumacher he ain't.
If Red Bull have the fastest car it's a toss up between Webber and Vettel for the race, and given Webber recent success I'd put my money on him over Vettel.
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Soldato
The RBR strategy could have worked if the safety car had gotten in on the act. Looking back in hindsight it wasn't the correct decision, but hindsight is always perfect.
That said, McLaren were the clear favourites at Canada. The power advantage of the Merc engine, the aero advantages that the MP4/25 has in a straight line, and the small matter of the driving talent on both sides of that McLaren garage.
The RB6 isn't some reincarnation of the Williams FW14B or 15C, or the Ferrari F2004. It's certainly beatable on more than a few tracks. If anything, I'd liken it to Ferrari's 2003 challenger, the F2003-GA. Fast, no question. But not bullet-proof, not the fastest package at every weekend, and thus RBR find themselves 22 (I think?) points behind McLaren at this stage.
I would despute that.
I believe RBR have had the fastest package every weekend so far. Even in Canada, Hamilton only managed to out qualify the RBR duo because he was on softer tyres and he had to do a "Hamilton Special". Had he been on the same tyres as RBR, RBR would've had another pole.
I believe Vettel was on the better race/tyre strategy however, he was hampered when he had problems with his car.
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I think Webber has raised his game. His skill/abilty is at its highest level right now. This new found ability has put Vettel in the shade.
I still hold Vettel in high regard.
I think McLaren will take this - I'm with sunama on Ferrari's update, introducing an upgrade halfway through the season hasn't made a huge difference to anybody so far and Ferrari have quite a difference to make up. RBR will be in the mix too, though, I'm not discounting them at the moment.
The RBR is very good on circuits which require high levels of downforce (or in the case of Turkey where just one very long corner matters) but Canada, Valencia, Monza and to a lesser extent Spa don't have any high speed corners. Yes the RBR is still good but it allows other cars to get much closer and even surpass them.
As to the qualifying laps, the considered opinion in Autosport was that Lewis would have stuck in on pole even with the hard tyres which would have been their preferred choice for the run anyway, but the McL backroom boys said that soft was the statistically better choice.