European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20

Lewis is already a WDC he must have all those things you say makes a WDC?

Alonso could easily have been hit off track with all his moves in Valencia, he was just fortunate they all worked out ok even with some contact as he himself admitted after the race.
 
sunama said:
Its not crazy.
If you are an intelligent/top driver, you need to do the following, while driving:

assess the drivers/cars around you all the time.
assess the condition/ability of your car.
assess the conditions of the track.
...and many other things. It is this ability to multi-task which makes a WDC.

There is absolutely no way that you should be treating every single driver in exactly the same way. You have to pick your battles carefully.

Notice that Alonso never seems to end up in these kinds of situations and he was the leading driver in the last race, who overtook the most. Why do you think this is? Coincidence?

From a racing point of view, Hamilton did nothing wrong and Maldo was more to blame, HOWEVER, Hamilton is the guy who lost out on the points and he is the title contender.

So far this season, Hamilton has changed his driving style. He isn't driving balls-to-the-wall and this was working for him nicely. He was leading the title race, having won only 1 race. This is what you call championship driving. Playing the long game. The 1 moment so far this season where he has decided to fight (as he used to do) and boom, he gets himself involved in an incident and drops 20 points behind the leading WDC.

He can continue to race hard, balls-to-the-wall, but as we saw last year, he will crash, a lot OR he can approach the championship as he did in the first 7 races of this year and be a championship driver. It really is his choice.
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Have to agree with sunama there & that doesn't happen often :p
 
Cavallino said:
Hamilton didnt have a double diffuser though :D
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had a silly dominant car all the same, fighting with a proper rival like hakkinen , schumacher , alonso he wouldnt win a title driving like he often does.

i thought he turned a corner and learned from alonso how its done but i guess not
 
There we go then. Hamilton gets punted off and he's automatically back to "his old ways".

Also, you are forgetting he could have won the title in his rookie year, against Alonso, in the same car. If you're going to say Hamilton only won the title with a dominant car, then that rules out a lot of Schumacher's then, no?

I feel people are overreacting to this incident.
 
One collision that wasn't his fault and he's 'back to his old ways' and driving 'balls out' and not thinking of the championship...

Only on OcUK :rolleyes:

Maybe its because he hasn't done anything else wrong this year to give people an excuse, so they are having to get 8 races worth of pent up Hamilton bashing all out at once :D

Meanwhile Vergne driving into Heikki, one of the Saubers side swiping Massa, and that other incident later on that saw Ricciardo pointing the wrong way have all been completely ignored...
 
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Originally Posted by sunama
Its not crazy.
If you are an intelligent/top driver, you need to do the following, while driving:

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The same flawed arguements are just being trotted out again and again.

- He was not driving 'balls to the wall'. He fought, as he should, against Grosjean and Raikkonen, both of whom then got by without incident by passing in safe parts of the track without undue resistant from LH. Your entire arguement hinges on the point that another driver would have found a way to allow Maldonado to pass him in the same circumstances at an unsafe point on the track. Please substantiate this further.

- Maldonado tried to pass at a point in the track which was ridiculous and I doubt Hamilton even could have let him pass on that corner. Why didn't PM wait until the straight? The answer is that the red mist had come down and he wasn't thinking.

- This arguement that you 'pick your battles' is fine but it does not hold to the extent that you have to let a reckless driver through because otherwise they will drive into you. By that logic Maldonado will never have to competitively overtake another car again because everybody has to give him such a wide berth or he will crash into them.

- Just because this didn't happen to Alonso does not mean that it couldn't. The circumstances were unique. Bald tyres means taking the inside line on a corner is impossible. To try to go outside of a car you know is going to be using the outer edge of the track is idiotic.

- The suggestion that the kerb somehow bounced him into Hamilton is also incorrect. He turned back into him as can clearly be seen. Nevermind what Karun on Sky said, the marshalls have far more information that any of the pundits and they concluded he did not rejoin the track in a safe way. That should be the end of the debate on the point.

Maldonado will cause another incident in the near future. Hopefully nobody is hurt and hopefully it is not with Hamilton so we can put this bizarre idea that Hamilton's driving is somehow a contributing factor. The man has already been 'banned for life' and had severe reprimands for dangerous driving this season. Unfortunately the problem is not going to go away.
 
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Didn't Maldonado try to ram someone off the road dangerously at Spa?

That alone to me shows he is a danger to everyone else on the track.
 
Energizer Bunny said:
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Not suggesting what you're saying is wrong, but I think one cannot ignore the history between these two. When Hamilton decided to defend against Maldonado in what was an inferior car at that stage of the race, in tandem with Maldonadoss mindset "I am not yielding this position no matter what"....
and who wants to make an impression... (well he certainly did that this weekend :))...

....the odds of making it through that corner cleanly we're drastically reduced because of all these factors...

... factors which Hamilton should have taken into consideration. Now obviously hindsight is wonderful and making such calculated risks during the heat of racing is not an easy feat... but I am sure that Hamilton (a much more maturer driver this year I have to say) would have taken 4th or 5th instead of a DNF had this been slowed down. Yes he did say in the interview that you never let anybody pass in racing, which I fully agree with, but you have to pick your fights at the right place at the right time with the right car and the right opponent...

As a result he is trailing by nearly one race win from Alonso.
 
against Alonso, in the same car
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i guess its not hard to match alonso in your rookie year if your team ties one of alonsos hands behind his back.

i seem to remember the FIA having to make sure everything was equal.

maldonado didnt ram anyone off hamilton left him with nowhere to go on the track which was stupid
 
arknor said:
i guess its not hard to match alonso in your rookie year if your team ties one of alonsos hands behind his back.

i seem to remember the FIA having to make sure everything was equal.

maldonado didnt ram anyone off hamilton left him with nowhere to go on the track which was stupid
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Maybe you should be hired as a steward then as you seem to know way more then everybody else and believe hamilton was the one at fault even though Maldonado got the penalty he deserved.

Give it a rest.
 
arknor said:
maldonado didnt ram anyone off hamilton left him with nowhere to go on the track which was stupid
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What? Maldonado was completely OFF the track and then came back on and T boned Hamilton??

Hamilton could not have given him more room on that corner because he had already commited to taking that racing line + his tyres were completely gone.
 
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