Euthanasia need to be considered in UK?

Prediction: this issue marks the end of wes streeting, gone in 2025. It's overwhelmingly supported by the public and he's strongly against it, the media won't let it go, kier does a reshuffle to address unpopularity and Wes is a casualty.
 
tres said:
As I'm sure it's been mentioned dozens of times in this thread, a more beneficial and sensible starting place would be to fund and improve access to proper palliative care. That will go the furthest to improve how we treat people at the end of their lives.
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There is absolutely no reason why you can't do both. There are some illnesses where no amount of pain killers are going to help, well unless its such an amount that it render you unconscious/kills you, in which case it is or is as good as euthanasia.
 
throwaway4372 said:
Prediction: this issue marks the end of wes streeting, gone in 2025. It's overwhelmingly supported by the public and he's strongly against it, the media won't let it go, kier does a reshuffle to address unpopularity and Wes is a casualty.
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After Rachel Reeves for the budget.

Yes it is a good policy and brave which are two reasons it will probably fall. The religious are against it and are usually able to whip up a storm in a tea cup until they themselves are discovered to be distinctly dodgy. It works elsewhere in the world and there will be sufficient practising doctors able to administer it properly. Euthanasia and suicide are not correct expressions in this case, just medically assisted death.
 
MatsyLR said:
I agree with both points but personally I believe anyone should be able to end their life for any reason they want. However someone who is of sound mind would need to justify it to a medical professional with the necessary mental wellbeing care in place to help anyone having those thoughts with justification and a clear reason to why and put necessary things in place forwwhat happens after. Yes even people who say they want to die because they want to die. As long as there is a clear understanding and process in place to help people having those thoughts.

It's my life I should have the right to end it when I choose (not taking suicide just dignified ending of function). No one should be forced to stick around against their own will.

Probably not a popular opinion though.

Id want to sign something to say if I cannot look after myself anymore due to whatever reason, I will be humanly put down. If I can't think or reason anymore then it's automatic per my wishes. If I am able to think and reason I am able to choose as its ultimately my choice my body my life.

There is far too much importance put on human life, we are not special. We do it for beloved pets, shouldn't be any different for us as long as their are procedures in place.

I saw my grandma in and out of hospital for years suffering, it was horrible to witness just a slow falling apart unable to think most the time unable to wipe own bum or feed herself. When she eventually passed she wasn't my grandma anymore, she was just a frail lump of flesh who thankfully passed in her sleep but had no idea what was going on for a long time or who anyone was around her. When she went into hospital for the last time her mind had already gone she had no idea what was happening or who anyone was and was left to slowly rot for about 2 months while we watched. It was heartbreaking to watch her slowly disintegrate with no dignity, a woman I loved as a mother just rotting in a bed unable to comprehend anything at all until her body gave up when her mind was gone ages ago.
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I also agree with you.
Isn't the country mainly atheist now?

Really, if we all die, and there's nothing after, I also don't see any issue letting people choose to go.

When someone has lost their mind they have already died anyway. Why keep around someone who isn't even who they were?
 
I also wonder how many MP's will stand up quoting some form of "protect the most vulnerable" and then come another debate refuse to give the necessary funding to said protection
 
I thought this was really revealing:

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People who've seen what the end of life is like are more likely to support assisted dying than those who haven't. (More in the Sunday Times article but its paywalled)
 
Mr Jack said:
I thought this was really revealing:

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People who've seen what the end of life is like are more likely to support assisted dying than those who haven't. (More in the Sunday Times article but its paywalled)
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No suprise there. If you've not been through it then theoretical arguments about protecting the vulnerable may carry more weight. But if you have experienced the reality of someone being kept alive past the point of cruelty, the option to avoid this for you and your family will make a lot of sense.
 
Maybe that also just suggests that older people, who are more likely to have a lost a parent anyway, support it?
I’d be in that group, but have always supported euthanasia. Mainly because there are instances I would not want to live after injury etc.
My parent was ill, but the decline was so rapid it would never have been relevant.

One view I have, which is probably controversial, is that modern medicine is too good. We are so intent on fixing everything and keeping people alive at all costs, I think sometimes the reality of the afterwards is ignored, particularly with very serious injury.
 
I've always been "your life is your life" what right has someone got to stop you ending it with help if you're of sound mind, and not coerced and have tried to fix it.

But this was especially reinforced seeing my partners mum and their family go through months of waiting and her asking for the end.

Not the biggest sample size that though consider it's also split 3 ways?

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Oh is that 2111?
I read 2, 111.

Must be 2111 which is fine.


Look how few people oppose it.
Get this thing through politicians. You represent the UK. This isn't some new thing no other countries do. Stop being so damn backward and actually make a change that most of us want.
 
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My view on assisted dying is informed by watching my grandmothers decline through dementia. I do not want that end for myself, or the people I love, yet I think assisted dying would have been absolutely wrong for my gran who remained happy to the very end despite everything.
 
Mr Jack said:
My view on assisted dying is informed by watching my grandmothers decline through dementia. I do not want that end for myself, or the people I love, yet I think assisted dying would have been absolutely wrong for my gran who remained happy to the very end despite everything.
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If she was happy, why would assisted dying be relevant?
 
Mr Jack said:
My view on assisted dying is informed by watching my grandmothers decline through dementia. I do not want that end for myself, or the people I love, yet I think assisted dying would have been absolutely wrong for my gran who remained happy to the very end despite everything.
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She wouldn't be considered as having mental capacity in any case. If you are comfortable and well looked after, dementia may be a blessing at the end of a long life if it is not unduly extended by medical interventions.
 
Mr Badger said:
If she was happy, why would assisted dying be relevant?
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Not sure why you're making the point I made right back at me.

Hagar said:
She wouldn't be considered as having mental capacity in any case. If you are comfortable and well looked after, dementia may be a blessing at the end of a long life if it is not unduly extended by medical interventions.
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Hopefully, they'll sort out the rules so that people can pre-approve for assisted dying in situations like dementia. I don't know how anyone could possibly describe dementia as "a blessing"; it is a truly horrifying thing.
 
Mr Jack said:
Not sure why you're making the point I made right back at me.



Hopefully, they'll sort out the rules so that people can pre-approve for assisted dying in situations like dementia. I don't know how anyone could possibly describe dementia as "a blessing"; it is a truly horrifying thing.
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This thread is discussing euthanasia/assisted dying. Although it's not the point you were making, some people arguing against it like to throw up the spectre of a slippery slope towards the old and disabled being put down. When it should only ever be about those with terminal/untreatable conditions who have given informed consent.

I agree that dementia is never a blessing (a very bizarre comment) but it does manifest in many ways and someone who is well looked after (ideally in their own home for as long as possible) can potentially still be happy. Where I absolutely do draw the line is the end stages when people can no longer recognise friends and family or meaningfully engage with the world. There is no quality of life in rotting away, vacant and incontinent in a care home relying on low paid staff to tend to your basic needs. People should be able to elect in advance whilst still compas mentis, that they would prefer a clean and dignified end rather than linger on in a zombie state like that.
 
Mr Badger said:
This thread is discussing euthanasia/assisted dying. Although it's not the point you were making, some people arguing against it like to throw up the spectre of a slippery slope towards the old and disabled being put down. When it should only ever be about those with terminal/untreatable conditions who have given informed consent.

I agree that dementia is never a blessing (a very bizarre comment) but it does manifest in many ways and someone who is well looked after (ideally in their own home for as long as possible) can potentially still be happy. Where I absolutely do draw the line is the end stages when people can no longer recognise friends and family or meaningfully engage with the world. There is no quality of life in rotting away, vacant and incontinent in a care home relying on low paid staff to tend to your basic needs. People should be able to elect in advance whilst still compas mentis, that they would prefer a clean and dignified end rather than linger on in a zombie state like that.
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A blessing was the wrong word but if it lessens a stare of anxiety it may be a little that way. I am not immune to personal experience of relatives suffering this way. My point on unnecessary medical interventions prolonging this condition stands.
 
Likely to be very close apparently, and now theres a move to scupper it entirely through parliamentary procedure. Entirely predictable it'll never pass this country is just so stuck in the past/mire/mud/its own funk to make any kind of meaningful change. We're just in a long slow terminal decline that someone ought to give the right to put an end to but will totally fail to do so.
 
What is the fascination on prolonging suffering anyways through medical means? I honestly don't get it. What do the higher ups get out out of it?
 
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