EV Car tax question.

lordrobs said:
It was quite interesting seeing that video. My alloys have plenty of spots with rubber transfer into the rim, can only come from the trye getting compacted into the wheel like that video shows.

The ironic thing is that plenty of motorsports use relatively high profile tyres compared to your 'sporty' spec family car. The notion that if you aren't running rubber bands then you are going to have the driving dynamics of a blancmange is a bit silly.
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Beyond being large enough to accommodate sufficient discs to deal with the weight of the car..... the fad for gigantic rims and runner band tyres has about as much basis in performance as the ridiculous 'gamer' chairs styled to look like sports car seats. As if you're going to be pulling lateral Gs and wearing a 5 point harness while stuffing cheetos in your face watching YouTube.
 
Nikumba said:
I don't mind paying my way so not against paying VED however what I am against unless its been changed lower tax rates for ICE cars, why should cars with low emissions have a cheaper tax rate than an EV?
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They have much higher BIK and fuel duty ongoing.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
If you bought an EV you probably already paid ~£2000 in additional VAT, well the original purchaser did. Call it an upfront payment for 5 years of fuel duty.
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So what. It was a more expensive car. The vat is nothing to do with topic. I pay VAT on a microwave. Cars tend to last longer than 5 years too
 
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Simon said:
So what. It was a more expensive car. The vat is nothing to do with topic. I pay VAT on a microwave. Cars tend to last longer than 5 years too
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You know as well as I do that cars which are otherwise identical e.g. the Kona have historically been £8-12k more expensive than the piston alternative and for the vast majority of people it is still an economic decision, not an environmental one.

So yes it’s a more expensive car but the point is the overall tax burden is not that dissimilar in the round.

Taxation is ultimately a choice, other countries are offering zero VAT on EVs as an incentive to buyers which changes things considerably.
 
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Nikumba said:
Possibly in a company car setting, but the average user who buys a car why should a low emission ICE pay less tax than a zero emission EV?
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Because one they can get away with and not upset half the voting population, the other they can't. There's nothing more to it than that really.

Whilst a handful of people might feel it's more fair to jack the tax on a 2005 Toyota Yaris up to £180 a year because their EV will be, there's far more people they'd upset by doing that.
 
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Kenai said:
Because one they can get away with and not upset half the voting population, the other they can't. There's nothing more to it than that really.

Whilst a handful of people might feel it's more fair to jack the tax on a 2005 Toyota Yaris up to £180 a year because their EV will be, there's far more people they'd upset by doing that.
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Or set a minimum in the middle somewhere eg £75, for them to harp on about net zero and wanting us to have cleaner transport, then penalizing the people who are trying to go net zero.

If they set a minimum like that they would raise more money than just dumping £180 on EV owners, but the budget favours people who are keeping their ICE cars with fuel duty being frozen but nothing to help EV owners on the charging side of things.
 
if you zero vat ev's then the mftr puts the (already discounted) price up for the predominate purchaser - the fleet market; so the benefit won't get passed to private purchasers.

on the rims - I don't know if with the additional weight of ev's, and need to ensuring no high impact force grounding of the chassis/battery-pack, plus keeping vehicle height within reason(ie. chassis low),
that, that, mandates low profile rubber.
 
jpaul said:
on the rims - I don't know if with the additional weight of ev's, and need to ensuring no high impact force grounding of the chassis/battery-pack, plus keeping vehicle height within reason(ie. chassis low),
that, that, mandates low profile rubber.
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No
 
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Nikumba said:
Or set a minimum in the middle somewhere eg £75, for them to harp on about net zero and wanting us to have cleaner transport, then penalizing the people who are trying to go net zero.

If they set a minimum like that they would raise more money than just dumping £180 on EV owners, but the budget favours people who are keeping their ICE cars with fuel duty being frozen but nothing to help EV owners on the charging side of things.
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Just wait until they want fuel duty on EV. The levels of taxation versus energy cost are already massively lower on EV energy sources even on fast charging where it’s 20%. Home only 5%.

Have people forgot how much tax is on a litre of fuel ??
 
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Nikumba said:
Or set a minimum in the middle somewhere eg £75, for them to harp on about net zero and wanting us to have cleaner transport, then penalizing the people who are trying to go net zero.

If they set a minimum like that they would raise more money than just dumping £180 on EV owners, but the budget favours people who are keeping their ICE cars with fuel duty being frozen but nothing to help EV owners on the charging side of things.
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The 2% BIK is already a massive help for net zero. How many tax breaks do they need. If everyone went EV tomorrow there would be a massive tax/duty void that would need to be filled somehow
 
Simon said:
The 2% BIK is already a massive help for net zero. How many tax breaks do they need. If everyone went EV tomorrow there would be a massive tax/duty void that would need to be filled somehow
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Easy the 16billions anual subsidy that goes to fosil fuel making, covers that many times over.
 
Simon said:
Just wait until they want fuel duty on EV. The levels of taxation versus energy cost are already massively lower on EV energy sources even on fast charging where it’s 20%. Home only 5%.

Have people forgot how much tax is on a litre of fuel ??
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The road tax alone now being applied to EVs is about 2 months worth of fuel in my tax dodging diesel. Add depreciation and way higher insurance costs on top of that, installing a charger, current electricity costs... It's already not much of a saving to go out and buy a new EV.
 
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Yeah but you dont have to suffer driving around in a diesel... The more people who dont sit at kids football for an hour idling their diesels the better.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Yeah but you dont have to suffer driving around in a diesel... The more people who dont sit at kids football for an hour idling their diesels the better.
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Nothing suffering with about 550 miles from a tank and refill it in a couple of mins. It's still comfortable enough too and I'm not wasting £500+ a month to rent/finance it.
 
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Nasher said:
The road tax alone now being applied to EVs is about 2 months worth of fuel in my tax dodging diesel. Add depreciation and way higher insurance costs on top of that. Not much of a saving to go out and buy a new EV.
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Which is ridiculous if you want the cleaner air, just goes to show the complete mess a complex system can become unless it is scrutinised closely as newer goals appear
 
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