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No chance is a Leaf getting anywhere near 240. My e2008 probably gets ~200 MAX in summer and closer to 160 in winter with normal driving.
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You'd get that range out of a Zoe but not sure if it would be too small. I did a 165 mile round trip at the weekend, mostly motorway and left the house with 96% battery and came back with 2% battery, once it warms up a 165 mile range would be easily done - did have the heater on and heated seats and steering wheel.
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you literally just worked it out for yourself.
62kwh battery (59 usable) by your reckoning takes you to (almost) 210 miles........ but 1) 3.5 is a number you made up and isnt how the claimed range is worked out and 2) no range advertised is ever realistic, be it WLTP range or petrol MPG.........
but anything close to 200 miles is perfectly usable esp for a 2nd car where the other car is an ICE in this country.
my ipace is a massive slab of metal, great car, not the best EV... that has an 84kwh usable battery which claims.... 290miles i think. i have got 260 out of mine, driving fairly conservatively but not like a granny and that is a car which at the time was over 2.5 years old and 44000 miles on the clock so the battery may have lost a little capacity as well.
on a motorway run to my parents my record is 240 miles,
a leaf should do far far better per kwh.
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any yet peugeot claim 250 miles out of a 54kwh battery (the older E2008 is less, but on a 50kwh battery so it depends which you have i guess)
seems nissan are likely being more honest than peugeot then ?
I find the EV database to be a really good site to give (overly pessimistic so a great worst case scenario) a fair range for specific EVs in different driving conditions.
unfortunately i looked v briefly and could not find the long range leaf on there.
EV Database
A comprehensive overview of all electric vehicles in the UK. Search and compare by range, make, model and price.
ev-database.org
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oops DP
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I would say it comes down to the efficiency of the EV. For a real world comparsion, I was spending about £100 per month on fuel, now on Kona get around 4 miles per kW and £60 per month, I pay around the same 36p/kW at Tesla supercharger, so around 40% less running cost. And more if you remove road tax. Not sure about mpg but my ICE car would get between 420-520 miles per 45 litres of fuel (ran to nearly empty 50 litre tank). That would last 3 weeks.
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The cars Octopus have included in the trial are
Nissan Leaf
Nissan e-NV200
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
Main issue is you need a Wallbox Quasar 1 V2G charger
But you do get a bucket load of free energy if you sign up!
Nissan Leaf
Nissan e-NV200
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
Main issue is you need a Wallbox Quasar 1 V2G charger
But you do get a bucket load of free energy if you sign up!
3.5 is a number I ‘made up’ motorway based on driving thousands of miles in many EVs and an optimistic number to be honest and would require 70mph. Who reall cares about range doing 15 miles commutes on B roads anyway when you are topping up. No one is doing WLTP cycles for 200miles. My point was simply look at battery size and multiply by 3.5 for motorway range. Ignore anything else about claimed range numbers.
Just didn’t understand the 240miles comment. Not sure why you have gone into a story about your ipace. Ipace is actually pretty decent at real motorway speeds. Even a Kia soul struggles to get over 3 if driven like a ICE would in a motorway.
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The new cupra born vz looks great. Improvement over mine and that new AP550 motor sounds really nice boost to torque. Longer geared so will address the drop off after 55mph. 5.7 0-60 too
79kwh battery up to 170kW too. I’ve been impressed with the ID buzz charge speeds as it’s a really good ‘area under curve’charge curve
www.autocar.co.uk
79kwh battery up to 170kW too. I’ve been impressed with the ID buzz charge speeds as it’s a really good ‘area under curve’charge curve
New Cupra Born VZ hot hatch boosts power to 322bhp | Autocar
Rear-driven electric hatch packs VW Golf R level of power and a whopping 402lb ft of torque
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i thought it was obvious.
240 miles is WLTP range, which is an industry standard. yes it is (very) over optimistic if you pick the worst case scenario for range, but it is still way in excess of what the poster said he needed (165 miles of range).
i mentioned my ipace as an example because it gave a fair example of how far the WLTP range is off the actual real world (240 motorway in mild weather vs 290 WLTP).
if you have driven many EVs then you know exactly how it is claiming 240 miles. you name me a single car which can do WLTP range on motorway miles. EV database is great for these sorts of issues but sadly doesnt have the car in question on it.
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Hence I shortcut all that by using 3.5 Tbh I didn’t know much about the big battery leaf
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i guess the point is........... we are sort of agreeing. Even using your benchmark the long range leaf should be capable of 200miles or close to it on an average motorway run, which is a very usable range, esp in the uk.
A 50kw Zoe maybe, but in a ZE40 - only in summer if you stick to 50 the whole way!
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If you turn off the extension temporarily, then view the single car advert, turn the extension back on and refresh the page, it still works for me..
What it won't allow is turning it on for a search result/list of cars.
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2% battery as well.............. they have bigger cahoonas than i have that is for sure. As soon as i get under 10% i start to get twitchy. I am no expert but isnt the remaining charge in car batteries a bit of a guess, and depends on how well balanced the battery is?
2% is not a lot of margin for error.
Works fine on Firefox still.Pretty annoying!! And I only discovered it a month or so ago
If I was heading home, I'd be happy to get to 2% since I know I'd be able to charge. Arriving at a charger/destination with unknown charging capability on the other hand...
I've found the "GOM" on my EVs to be a lot more predictable than in an ICE (presuming your driving style doesn't change dramatically in the middle of the journey). E.g. if you've got 20 miles range showing coming off the motorway and you know you're going to be doing 30-40mph for the rest of the trip, you'll almost certainly get more than that 20 miles. I've actually ended up reaching my destination with more range remaining than I had when leaving the motorway a few times!
Unfortunately, of course the opposite is true - if you've been driving at 30mph for the last 10 miles and suddenly get on the motorway, your range will drop quite quickly at first, I guess it's about getting used to the car and learning how it responds to different speeds & conditions.
I've also found it a lot easier to adjust for as well - dropping cruise control speed by 5mph or so soon allows the car to "catch up" as it were and "give" you more range - you get used to adjusting the speed to balance the drop in range against distance travelled and how much you want to have left when you arrive.
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Its the Leaf e+ specifically I'd be looking at, which is the 62kWh 160kW battery variant. I wrote the lower power variant off already on range alone. WLTP for whats its worth is 210ish, 3.5x 62 is also approx that so I assumed it would do at least two days commuting.
Choice wise, given the amount if miles I do I'd quite like something that doesn't drive like a fridge and I personally don't get along with higher ride heights/seating positions (a rare breed I know), so I'd be looking at either hatchback, saloon, or estate. Most of my social driving is quite "dynamic", shall we say, given its mostly around the local Brecon Beacons and Presili hills.
The Ionics seem like very good value for money and are a good size, but seem on paper to be quite heavy slow things. I did test drive the MG5 EV over a year ago and actually quite liked that, but only the pre-facelift variant is available in budget and they have a few teething/quality issues.
Thanks for the help so far. Moving away from pcp idea now and will either look for in-budget HP or bank loanable options, as realistically you're right regarding equity and nothing to show!
Choice wise, given the amount if miles I do I'd quite like something that doesn't drive like a fridge and I personally don't get along with higher ride heights/seating positions (a rare breed I know), so I'd be looking at either hatchback, saloon, or estate. Most of my social driving is quite "dynamic", shall we say, given its mostly around the local Brecon Beacons and Presili hills.
The Ionics seem like very good value for money and are a good size, but seem on paper to be quite heavy slow things. I did test drive the MG5 EV over a year ago and actually quite liked that, but only the pre-facelift variant is available in budget and they have a few teething/quality issues.
Thanks for the help so far. Moving away from pcp idea now and will either look for in-budget HP or bank loanable options, as realistically you're right regarding equity and nothing to show!
In June, apparently. We just signed a two year lease on a VW ID.3, as they've got a cheap offer at the moment that knocks about €150/month off the price.
Test drove it earlier, and - wow - it really is lovely to drive. It's quick, the seats are super comfortable, and the steering has a lovely feel to it. First car I've driven with a HUD too, which is just magic, the whole experience just feels like a generation ahead of anything else I've driven. The biggest downside seems to be the daft capacitive buttons, but I think they'll be tolerable.
Test drove it earlier, and - wow - it really is lovely to drive. It's quick, the seats are super comfortable, and the steering has a lovely feel to it. First car I've driven with a HUD too, which is just magic, the whole experience just feels like a generation ahead of anything else I've driven. The biggest downside seems to be the daft capacitive buttons, but I think they'll be tolerable.
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