EV general discussion

Interesting

Especially about the part where you were saying about petrol stations closed, if our borders close completely and no petrol is comming in, the EV would continue to move, ICE would come to a stand still ?

Maybe I should look at EV as my next car, wantvto keep costs down as much as possible, but can not afford to buy an ev, unless I get an old leaf for 5k


Is there an app that tells you where charging points are for each type of vehicle?
 
Nasher said:
Unplugging them all late in the evening would be pretty funny.
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About as hilarious as drilling someone's petrol tank and letting all the air out of their tyres, yes.

What would be far funnier would be watching the person get caught doing it and having the **** kicked out of them. :p

Nasher said:
But I guess that kind of humour isn't to everyone's taste :p
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No, thankfully not everyone is a see you next Tuesday.
 
ShiWarrior said:
Interesting

Especially about the part where you were saying about petrol stations closed, if our borders close completely and no petrol is comming in, the EV would continue to move, ICE would come to a stand still ?

Maybe I should look at EV as my next car, wantvto keep costs down as much as possible, but can not afford to buy an ev, unless I get an old leaf for 5k


Is there an app that tells you where charging points are for each type of vehicle?
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I'd be careful with £5k Leafs.

The early cars (2011, 2012, some 2013) have had battery degredation problems. By the time production moved to the UK, these were largely ironed out, and most 2014 and later cars have far exceeded Nissan's own expectations for longevity.

The other thing to watch out for is battery leases. If a Leaf seems particularly cheap, check the battery isn't on a lease agreement. A few still are. And they aren't very good value; you might save a grand now, but find yourself paying £60/month for years.

Little bit of a shameless plug, but my Leaf will be going once this is all over as my new car is ready for delivery. I'll be looking for closer to £7k than £5k, but if you're interested let me know and I'll drop you an Autotrader link once it's up.

As for the app, Zap-Map.
 
I forget when it happened, but Nissan issued a firmware update for the 30kWh in response to a survey like that one. If it's based on pre-update data, then the BMS was mis-reporting battery health.
 
McPhee said:
I forget when it happened, but Nissan issued a firmware update for the 30kWh in response to a survey like that one. If it's based on pre-update data, then the BMS was mis-reporting battery health.
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oh right, cheers

what i need is some up dated information about the Leaf, that be cool, but all seems old or based on the new one..
 
:D

seriously though i could post a big reply (ive already done a spec me a car thread last year) and still not purchased another car as of yet..
 
i think the bug is catching

I want to save money as much as i can

"if" i change my car
"if" i get an electric car looks like it would be a Leaf, although the Zoe is another option, but its a little small for me, also apparently the charging times are a LOT longer, so be no good

so calculations time

circa 6K a year

Map Zap says :

Work (customers parking) . says phase 2 (7KW)
Free To Use
Pod Point

Un-tethered Connection, user cable required




one near me :

Device 1 -
Type 2 (7KW)
Plus 12p/kwh, instant: 18p/kwh (£1.20 min payment)


Device 2-
CCS (50Kw)
CHAdeMO (50KW)
Type 2 (43kW)

Plus: 15p/kwh;instant:25p/kwh (£1.20 min payment)
Comntactless: 30p/kw/h (£1.50 a min payment)



if i had a Leaf, how much do you think it would cost me each year (including servicing, tax, fuel etc) ?


there is a Leaf for sale near me actually , black 63 plate, tekna, 40K , for £7,000 (battery owned)
 
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ShiWarrior said:
i think the bug is catching

I want to save money as much as i can

"if" i change my car
"if" i get an electric car looks like it would be a Leaf, although the Zoe is another option, but its a little small for me, also apparently the charging times are a LOT longer, so be no good

so calculations time

circa 6K a year

Map Zap says :

Work (customers parking) . says phase 2 (7KW)
Free To Use
Pod Point

Un-tethered Connection, user cable required




one near me :

Device 1 -
Type 2 (7KW)
Plus 12p/kwh, instant: 18p/kwh (£1.20 min payment)


Device 2-
CCS (50Kw)
CHAdeMO (50KW)
Type 2 (43kW)

Plus: 15p/kwh;instant:25p/kwh (£1.20 min payment)
Comntactless: 30p/kw/h (£1.50 a min payment)



if i had a Leaf, how much do you think it would cost me each year (including servicing, tax, fuel etc) ?


there is a Leaf for sale near me actually , black 63 plate, tekna, 40K , for £7,000 (battery owned)
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The power of the charger is pretty irrelevant for a Leaf. Unless it's a 6.6kw model (most aren't as it was an optional extra), it will charge at 3.6kw. This isn't a lot faster than charging via 3 pin mains - which is about 15% an hour. Unless you use a rapid charger (CHAdeMO socket) which will do ~80% in about 40 minutes..

Can you charge at home? If I were having to pay charger rates for charging my car, I think I'd be spending more than on an ICE. Also, check with those chargers if there's any overstay, or maximum connection limit. The 'free' ones near me have a £10 penalty for staying over 3 hours. And 3 hours worth of 3.6kw charging is nowhere near enough to fill the battery up.

Expect a real world safe distance of 60 miles. You can get further, but you really have to drive carefully. Motorway journeys hit range quite heavily - so you have to plan your journeys more carefully than an ICE.

Servicing - what's to service?
Tax - none.
Insurance might go up - for some bizarre reason electric cars seem comparatively expensive compared to ICE.
 
i might be able to charge at home on the odd occasion
but when i go visit my dad i'm sure i could put it on charge there

majority would be public charging for me

Checked insurance, no more than what im paying now :D
 
Bug One said:
The power of the charger is pretty irrelevant for a Leaf. Unless it's a 6.6kw model (most aren't as it was an optional extra), it will charge at 3.6kw. This isn't a lot faster than charging via 3 pin mains - which is about 15% an hour. Unless you use a rapid charger (CHAdeMO socket) which will do ~80% in about 40 minutes..
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Solid advice but I disagree with this point. A dedicated charger, even at a relatively slow 3.6kw or so, is significantly faster than 3 pin charging. Through a traditional plug it'll only pull 10A, so 2.4kw. Some cars like the Zoe are also less efficient at lower charging rates so waste more energy.

If the electrics are old using a 3 pin can sometimes be unsafe if it's long term. It's better than it used to be, as the cables now have thermal cut off in the plug. But you still hear of occasional stories where sockets melt. And lots of horror stories where people have used dubious quality extension leads, or left them coiled.
 
ShiWarrior said:
i might be able to charge at home on the odd occasion
but when i go visit my dad i'm sure i could put it on charge there

majority would be public charging for me

Checked insurance, no more than what im paying now :D
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What type of home do you live in/why would charging at home only be on the odd occasion?
 
car is parked on another street
i live with parents, one is disabled and keeps her car on the drive
id have to use a 3-pin plug , so it would be awkward to use all the time, trailing wires etc
 
ShiWarrior said:
car is parked on another street
i live with parents, one is disabled and keeps her car on the drive
id have to use a 3-pin plug , so it would be awkward to use all the time, trailing wires etc
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If I were in your scenario I wouldn't have a Leaf. In fact, I wouldn't have an electric car at all.

The main benefit to owning an electric car is being able to charge it at home. Both for convenience and cost.
 
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