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In the HS2 thread. I have no idea what he’s trying to say there either.
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In the HS2 thread. I have no idea what he’s trying to say there either.
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That will definitely effect your range a bit.
I've seen it said numerous times that it's one of the first EVs that people want because of the car itself and not because they're actively looking for an EV. That certainly applies to me; I don't have the ability to charge at home yet I'm trying to work out if I could still live with one using charging at the places I visit instead. Whether that makes logical and practical sense or not is another matter entirely, but based on the reception it's had so far the R5 has absolutely captured an audience who wouldn't have given the other cars you've mentioned a second look. The Mini and 500 in their current iterations don't lean into the retro-modern styling nearly as much as the R5 does.
Just going through the online form to have our Ohme pro charger installed which is free as part of the car that I've ordered. So far along and they're asking if I want to add surge protection for £50, what's the take on that, is it necessary / no brainer at that cost or?
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I'll never buy an electric vehicle, they have no soul
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Can you explain because I find this comment really weird like something you keep seeing quoted on social media?
It’s a bit of an odd one, the regs were changed in 2022 which requires all new circuits to be covered by an SPD.
However, the same regs also allow the customer to opt out…
Is it actually a requirement if the customer can opt out? Your guess is as good as mine in that front. In my mind, if someone can opt out, it becomes optional and not a requirement and becomes a recommendation.
I kind of get it - Nissan Leaf courtesy car was just like white goods, very sterile and everything controls wise and how the car behaved felt remote and numb, aside for some reason a bit of motor hum when cornering very quiet mostly - a big difference to the V6 in some of the other vehicles I've owned or own.
I think it depends on whether a car is an object that gets you from A to B, or if you are an enthusiast that likes certain attributes that a car has. Having no soul is a bit of a stretch but a screamer of an engine like a GT3 or a growl of a v8 etc. gives certain people an emotional response in a way that an electric car doesnt. Its like some people say a manual gives a better driving experience compared with an auto etc. Its just a way of describing a preference, thats all
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Which is fine but if you ask the typical person who makes that kind of comment what car they drive, their response will be some other white good car that just happens to have an ICE like a Nissan Juke.
The overwhelmingly majority of the cars on the road are mass produced white goods.
The overwhelmingly majority of the cars on the road are mass produced white goods.
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Exactly.
I don't think that is true TBH. Someone doesn't have to have a V10 engined supercar to appreciate the added visceral input that a combustion engine gives. I don't think it applies to the majority though but then I don't think the majority are particularly worried about these things.
Of course the best solution is to have both
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For me, an internal combustion engine is more than just a power source, it's a direct connection between the driver and the road. Did anyone ever look at a milk float and say "I have to have one of those"?
I only own "spicy" cars, not "white goods" cars
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How many cars these days have a cable between the throttle pedal and the engine?
Yes my car is powered by a battery - it makes it no more of a milk float than a Morris Minor is a Formula 1 car…
I don't think that is true TBH. Someone doesn't have to have a V10 engined supercar to appreciate the added visceral input that a combustion engine gives. I don't think it applies to the majority though but then I don't think the majority are particularly worried about these things.
Of course the best solution is to have both
I didn’t mean to suggest they’d need to drive a V10 super car to enjoy an engine.
It’s just the reality that most people don’t care even if they say they do. Of the best selling cars in the U.K., 8/10 are family crossover SUVs which are not exactly known for their visceral engines and driving dynamics.
You have to get down to number 6 (Golf) and number 10 (Polo) to find a car which offers something which a person who finds ‘not having a soul’ a deal breaker within the range. Even then, the vast majority of those on the roads will have the most economical engine in them because that’s what people normally prioritise.
Even stuff like manual gearboxes, you’ll find people who have entrenched positions on automatics being terrible and have yet never actually used one. Most of the people I know that used to hold that position now drive automatics because they have realised they are generally better for 98% of the time they spend in the car.
Of course if you can afford to have a toy car for the weekend and a car for getting stuff done on the daily, then all power to you.
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I do like some of the electric cars, i've just not been "Taycan" aback by them 
It's great that you love ICE so much. Just think about the wonderful 'soul' of the engine as you drive past local schools poisoning their environment. Spicy air quality for the win.
I'm sure people made the same comments moving from Horses to cars.
Except the upkeep of horses even compared to unreliable cars at the time made them inferior in every way.
In time, with increased LFP battery adoption (or Solid-state) prove that EV's can operate with a long life they will be the superior transport.
How many components are in that engine with a soul that you will be swearing your head off with a spanner fixing compared to a brushless motor?
Convenience will always win the race. Thats to say nothing of cabin pre-heat, regen brakes and refilling the car yourself from the sun, not a refinery.
Except the upkeep of horses even compared to unreliable cars at the time made them inferior in every way.
In time, with increased LFP battery adoption (or Solid-state) prove that EV's can operate with a long life they will be the superior transport.
How many components are in that engine with a soul that you will be swearing your head off with a spanner fixing compared to a brushless motor?
Convenience will always win the race. Thats to say nothing of cabin pre-heat, regen brakes and refilling the car yourself from the sun, not a refinery.
Perfect comparison. Over a hundred years later some people still keep horses to enjoy, many even take them out on the roads even though they do emit (literal) **** out of their rear ends and have inferior performance.
The vast majority of drivers will happily move over to EV when they feel confident about doing so. A very small minority will have a very expensive hobby of running ICE vehicles.
...and we can all exist together in perfect harmony.
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