EV general discussion

rodders said:
Def want solar, but no battery.
Ok, ill look at the zappi
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Personally if I was to have any it would be battery.
Like most people I'd charge the battery through the night along with my EV and then run the house on 7p/Kw battery.
Looking in the thread about solar panels it seems hit and miss how much you can generate depending where you live.
Then again I'm not experienced with either so probably wrong :)
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
Personally if I was to have any it would be battery.
Like most people I'd charge the battery through the night along with my EV and then run the house on 7p/Kw battery.
Looking in the thread about solar panels it seems hit and miss how much you can generate depending where you live.
Then again I'm not experienced with either so probably wrong :)
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sorry, meant I want solar, as we already have solar!! lol. But I know it wont punch much in, but every little helps
 
Well my days of I-Pace ownership will come to an end in the next few weeks, assuming the SS car scheme goes through ok. After testing a few options I've ordered a Polestar 4 Dual Motor Long Range with the Plus and Pilot packs. The recent experiences with the dealer, which to be polite was dire, the large increase in warranty costs and a few other things made me look at my options and the SS car scheme makes a lot of sense based on the options, costs etc. So lets try something completely different :D

Did try the Tavascan V2 and considered a Model Y AWD (which would have been cheap) but they felt like quite a step down qaulity wise from the I-Pace where the Polestar didn't and strangely was cheaper than the Tavascan but better spec'd and dual motor which made the decision much easier.
 
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no SS deals in the German A6Etron or i5 direction ?


Jonnycoupe said:
Just irrelevant chunder isn’t it. Like no one really cares about stats like this. “Life is too short”
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'I'm sorry you haven't a clue' ? on the insurance stats 1/12 vs 1/20 accidents ev/ice seems significant. to the point where insurance costs must be limiting accessibility to younger drivers,
and manufacturers probably need to react, like more autopilot.
 
J1nxy said:
Well my days of I-Pace ownership will come to an end in the next few weeks, assuming the SS car scheme goes through ok. After testing a few options I've ordered a Polestar 4 Dual Motor Long Range with the Plus and Pilot packs. The recent experiences with the dealer, which to be polite was dire, the large increase in warranty costs and a few other things made me look at my options and the SS car scheme makes a lot of sense based on the options, costs etc. So lets try something completely different :D

Did try the Tavascan V2 and considered a Model Y AWD (which would have been cheap) but they felt like quite a step down qaulity wise from the I-Pace where the Polestar didn't and strangely was cheaper than the Tavascan but better spec'd and dual motor which made the decision much easier.
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I've just ordered the same today (minus the pilot pack). It was on offer on my employers SS scheme a few weeks ago but I missed it. They told me it would be going back on offer and it appeared today so pulled the trigger on it.
 
J1nxy said:
Did try the Tavascan V2 and considered a Model Y AWD (which would have been cheap) but they felt like quite a step down qaulity wise from the I-Pace where the Polestar didn't and strangely was cheaper than the Tavascan but better spec'd and dual motor which made the decision much easier.
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Did the same on the weekend and agree completely the Jag is another level of luxury compared to those and a lot more like our Volvo which I guess the P4 is like, not got to them yet.

As cheap as the iPace was and the missus loving it, I couldn't shake the feeling Jag is dead, no cars at dealer apart from pre reg, nothing Jag to sell, will there even be support for the brand in the future. Tempting though, £40k for a well optioned HSE Black with 10 miles on the clock, but will they become a Fisker.
 
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jpaul said:
like more autopilot.
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yep more autopilot is definitely what we need!!!! :D


FWIW I look forward to, and champion autonomous driving cars............ but with their cost cutting and relying purely on cameras........... i would not trust Autopilot and my money is on it not being tesla to produce the 1st actually usable self driving car (outside of finely controlled areas)

Also given Tesla are now looking at a mammoth bill to retrofit their new autopilot computer and possibly high resolution cameras into all their older cars which have full self driving enabled, and potentially worse than that possibly every single tesla on the road if the judge accepts that Musk promised that every car they sold was capable of full self driving as an option (and that was what was decided the last time they had to have an entire fleet recall)
 
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IIRC, the attach rate for FSD is tiny so they are not going to be on the hook for that big of a bill.

Don’t forget, it’s a $8k + tax entry point to be a beta tester, it was as high as $12k for awhile. You have to have paid the full $8k+ upfront to be eligible for any upgrades.

You’d have to have been mad to buy it outright, particularly on a lease or finance where you don’t own the car.

You’d have been even madder if you lived in the UK where it’s not even legal.

Most people pay the $200/month to subscribe to it and they are not getting an upgrade.

As for the crash, stuff happens. Humans crash all the time and rarely are two cares given. It even says that in the article linked.

I’m not sure you can attribute the crash to it only using cameras, the underlying software is orders of magnitude more important than the sensor suite. The cameras would have seen the lane markings etc long before the car hit the object. The software ultimately decided to ignore them.

That is also some absolutely shocking road design. Who puts a massive lamp post there? As for the driver, probably on their phone as it looks like they had a good couple of seconds to react before impact given it’s a school zone so speed limits will be low.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
IIRC, the attach rate for FSD is tiny so they are not going to be on the hook for that big of a bill.

Don’t forget, it’s a $8k + tax entry point to be a beta tester, it was as high as $12k for awhile. You have to have paid the full $8k+ upfront to be eligible for any upgrades.
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will have to wait and see on that. This is not the 1st time Tesla have had to upgrade the computers in the cars.

the 1st computer replacement initially they were only going to do as you suggest and that is currently what they are planning to do now, however last time they were taken to court over it and were forced to replace the computer in every post 2016 car they had sold because they said that every car could support FSD if an owner wanted via a subscription.

this was ages ago and there were a lot fewer teslas on the road, IF the same happens again i would think it would be an order of magnitude more expensive.

As for the cameras time will tell however having seen how the camera based system can fail to pick up fences and what not sometimes as well as not being as accurate with some distances etc, where as older teslas with the ultra sonic sensors as well as cameras picked it up and was more accurate.

edit ok after a google its not as cut and dry!. Still sounds like false advertising to me and it seems if anyone can be bothered to push it tesla will hopefully lose.

electrek.co

Tesla ordered to upgrade self-driving computer for free due to 'false advertising'

A judge ordered Tesla to upgrade a customer's self-driving computer for free so they can subscribe to the Full Self-Driving program.
electrek.co electrek.co
 
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The ultrasonic sensors do nothing for autopilot and never have. They don’t have the range beyond a few feet.

They were used as parking sensors, for summon and the self parking features. I’ve not used the self parking (£3k option on a car I don’t own!) but reports suggest the cameras do a very good job these days. The first iteration did make me laugh though, it was comically bad.

As for the hardware side, it will be an interesting one to watch. It’s not just the computer but also all the cameras that would need swapping.

There are a lot more nuances this time around though. V2 hardware was effectively abandoned before the product launched. Where as the supervised FSD product is available and working on V3 hardware.

Other than the nonsense Elon spouts, I’m not ever sure the marketing materials stated the FSD you are buying will be a fully hands off product (level 4-5 as they define it in the states).

It’s always used vague language like ‘in the future your car will be able to drive anywhere with minimal driver input’.

To me, that’s not a ‘level 4’ system but it depends on how you define ‘minimal driver input’. I can see how some people would take that to be a level 4 claim though. What it is, is incredibly vague, when something is vague, it’s usually ruled in the party who has the least powers favour, in the U.K. anyway.

I have suggested to a lot of people to get a refund for FSD in the U.K. and for whatever reason some people stubbornly refuse to entertain the idea which is nuts. They spaffed £6k on nothing and are not interested in getting it back. I just don’t understand the behaviour. It’s not like you can’t buy it again if it ever comes here.
 
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