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Posting videos and running is lazy. End of, I would say discussion but that’s the point, there has been none.
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It's not possible to engage in a discussion about EVs and their purpose though. As soon as you post something up questioning whether the industry is doing the right thing the frothers come out guns blazing because how dare anyone question their cars choices.
For the record, I couldn't care less what anyone drives. Ride a horse for all I care. The EV market is very interesting because it's in such a confused state at the moment and it's genuinely interesting to see how it all unfolds. Problem is you're not allowed to ask any challenging questions in here, either subscribe to the EV lifestyle or stay out.
Pity really.
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What was your username before?
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You didn’t do either - just posted a video and said EV’s were a flop.
Anything more substantive to add to make it a discussion?
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You haven’t asked any challenging questions though?
You like v8’s? Keep buying them.
You live in a flat? Don’t buy an EV.
You want soul in a car? Plenty of petrols available.
You need to drive a thousand miles without stopping whilst towing a caravan? Buy a petrol.
You have ethical issues with battery mining? Keep buying petrol.
Etc etc etc.
You like v8’s? Keep buying them.
You live in a flat? Don’t buy an EV.
You want soul in a car? Plenty of petrols available.
You need to drive a thousand miles without stopping whilst towing a caravan? Buy a petrol.
You have ethical issues with battery mining? Keep buying petrol.
Etc etc etc.
Sure, we'll just keep burning stuff forever. *facepalm*
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It's another topic that has become dominated by the extremes on either end, whilst all the people in the middle who might actually have a half decent conversation just get drowned out in the shouting match between EV evangelists who think the entire world needs to go electric and ICE die-hards who would sooner drink petrol than buy an EV.
Air quality. It doesn't matter which way you cut it, air quality is towns and cities is terrible and a huge proportion of that is down to the internal combustion engine. The other biggest contributor is the humble boiler.
No.
I tend to forget that reasoned discussion isn't on the cards in the EV thread, you're either a complete convert who prays at the altar of kilowatts or you're a "dinosaur".
I also see that in a thread where someone was asking about the brakes on a Micra, you recommended a used Nissan Leaf
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What's your actual argument? All you have done is post someone else's opinion has the gospel truth.
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I think this used to be called the 'when are you going EV' thread, maybe some of them havn't noticed the thread title change yet...
There should and hopefully will be all opinions in here now.
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Absolutely this. It’s made me very aware when walking around town how much traffic stinks and how bad it must be for our lungs. I’m envious of the generation who will live in a time when no vehicles are putting out such pollution.
A huge proportion of cars in my area are now EVs, it’s great to see.
Western car manufacturers will see their market share go up in smoke if they abandon plans for EV adoption, China is gunning for them and is already marching ahead.
I was pretty anti EV, but this latest batch of them is impressive. I’m actually surprised in my area how many cars now seem to be electric. It’s changed quickly.
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Europe has already lost. Governments need to decide whether to save the European car industry and forget about EV's or let it die and welcome the Chinese.
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Renault have a decent bunch of EV’s, as do BMW. Something for everyone so to speak. VW seem to be just getting themselves sorted, prices are too high for the brand tho. The Koreans are smashing it aswell.
We will see a big brand or 2 fall though, Ford maybe. Stellantis may drop one of their brands, someone like Vauxhall or Fiat.
I’d love too see Toyota go, such a lazy brand, kept churning out dross after dross, then did the vaguely interesting 1st gen Prius and didn’t capitalise on it. The BZ they do now is just terrible, and there’s nothing from the ice range that’s worth saving (the supra doesn’t count
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We will see a big brand or 2 fall though, Ford maybe. Stellantis may drop one of their brands, someone like Vauxhall or Fiat.
I’d love too see Toyota go, such a lazy brand, kept churning out dross after dross, then did the vaguely interesting 1st gen Prius and didn’t capitalise on it. The BZ they do now is just terrible, and there’s nothing from the ice range that’s worth saving (the supra doesn’t count
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I don't think VW group can keep all of theirs either, there is just too much crosstalk. Cupra are smashing it, Skoda are doing ok too.
Getting quite old the number of people who post an illogical rant. Then when it's gets roasted complain you can't have a discussion on the EV forum. You reap what you sow.
Haven't watched Harry's video yet. His videos seem further and further into subjects and cars with budgets too high to retain my interest. Still a fountain of knowledge. He's so far from the average Leaf or Zoe or MG owner he seems very disconnected from it all or me.
Imo theres a quite a number of things happening. One of which was manufacturers profiteering pushing the cost of EVs higher. Then a price war with China which is subsiding its EV cars, which no one can compete with. That has collapsed the residuals of EVs to a degree. There's also a shortage of new and used ICE cars which has propped up their residuals as had the lack of disincentives to drive an ICE.
Hybrid is a back door around the disadvantages of an ICE. It's the flavour of the month. But they are effected by all the same issues of BEVs. They have smaller battery's need charging more, will be obsolete even faster. Maybe they will suit some better. If the market values them. Then it doesn't really matter what the pros and cons are.
Haven't watched Harry's video yet. His videos seem further and further into subjects and cars with budgets too high to retain my interest. Still a fountain of knowledge. He's so far from the average Leaf or Zoe or MG owner he seems very disconnected from it all or me.
Imo theres a quite a number of things happening. One of which was manufacturers profiteering pushing the cost of EVs higher. Then a price war with China which is subsiding its EV cars, which no one can compete with. That has collapsed the residuals of EVs to a degree. There's also a shortage of new and used ICE cars which has propped up their residuals as had the lack of disincentives to drive an ICE.
Hybrid is a back door around the disadvantages of an ICE. It's the flavour of the month. But they are effected by all the same issues of BEVs. They have smaller battery's need charging more, will be obsolete even faster. Maybe they will suit some better. If the market values them. Then it doesn't really matter what the pros and cons are.
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ID4/5 did nothing for me, the Enyaq felt a much better car. Tavascan also has something about it.
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Interestingly, the increased range on PHEVs was regulation driven. Without legislation nothing changes in this world.
I test drove an Enyaq, but it felt like driving a barge. And I was coming from a Tiguan Allspace at the time!
Loved the Tavascan, and I really dislike SUV's normally. ID4/5 agree'd I really liked the ID.7 even though it is bland (an colour as long as it is grey or blue), at least it is well specified out the gate.
I think VW have shot themselves in both feet. Bugs, quality problems, warranty problems, cost cutting, price gouging, dull design, dull interiors. Lack of buttons.
Something like an ID4 would be perfect for me, or a Tiguan but don't want diesel and back in 2023 the prices were nuts. So I bought something cheaper.
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