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I must be honest, I am thoroughly enjoying watching how the EV world develops. We've seen so many jump in feet first and then retract, we've seen everything from tiny little city cars like the very funky little Honda E, to the straight-line king of the Plaid, to the hilariously devastating McMurtry Spierling. It's been an absolute rollercoaster of a ride with so many comings and goings, huge investments, massive losses, depreciation that makes a used gig ticket blush, but now we're starting to emerge from the cloud of chaos and the dust is starting to settle. Loads of manufacturers are backtracking and rethinking, and the final shape of the EV world is starting to finally emerge.
I reckon we're going to see loads of little city cars emerge, the mile munchers are going to go hybrid, and the petrolhead stuff is either going to be pure petrol or hybrid with more of a lean towards performance than economy.
Very interesting times, I suspect the last time the motor industry went through this was when we started ditching the horse & carriage.
Be interesting to see how this all pans out in the long term, the gov have showed absolutely zero interest in working with the manufacturers to come to a realistic and achievable goal and are digging their heels in so the designers have got their work cut out.
Maserati have chucked in the towel too, although this is hardly surprising, they're not exactly famous for being the most stable brand.
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I reckon we're going to see loads of little city cars emerge, the mile munchers are going to go hybrid, and the petrolhead stuff is either going to be pure petrol or hybrid with more of a lean towards performance than economy.
Very interesting times, I suspect the last time the motor industry went through this was when we started ditching the horse & carriage.
Be interesting to see how this all pans out in the long term, the gov have showed absolutely zero interest in working with the manufacturers to come to a realistic and achievable goal and are digging their heels in so the designers have got their work cut out.
Maserati have chucked in the towel too, although this is hardly surprising, they're not exactly famous for being the most stable brand.
Maserati culls electric MC20 citing lack of demand
The manufacturer never seemed in a desperate rush to launch its battery-powered supercar - now it won't
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1 in 4 cars sold in the UK in February were EVs - and it's only going to go up. Hybrids are a rubbish compromise that largely succeed only on wildly misleading fuel efficiency figures resulting in favourable tax outcomes for businesses and company cars. They're particularly poor as mile munchers; the only merit being they can reduce pollution in cities where they switch to electric after their motorway trundle - all that extra weight hurts most on these long journeys, and pushes up the electrical complexity with its accompanying costs, chance of failure, and high fire risk of hybrid vehicles.
Maserati culls electric MC20 citing lack of demand
The manufacturer never seemed in a desperate rush to launch its battery-powered supercar - now it won't
I'm not very surprised. If you want a supercar, do you want electric? And if you want an electric, do you want a custom built electric car or a petrol car that's had its innards swapped?
it’s funny really, I was having a ‘debate’ with some fellow caravanning/motor homing folk and not insignificant number of them seemed to think their hobby would be other once EVs took over or that hydrogen would be the bastion of the car market going forward.
It’s totally bizarre how strong their opinions were while being completely out of touch with what is happening in the market.
The hydrogen folk honestly think within a few years no one will be buying EVs and yet don’t realise hydrogen costs 100% more than diesel before tax.
People say it’s the youth who have gone ‘wrong’ due to social media, I’d say the older folk are really giving them a run for their money.
I honestly couldn’t think of a better platform for a motor home than a full electric vehicle. Sure you’ll give up some ‘range’ but most motorhomes are fitted with gutless engines (140-190hp) in vehicles which can weigh over 4 tons.
You’ll benefit from having a huge battery which you can invert to 230V AC when you are not plugged in. You can also charge said battery when you are parked at most campsites and you’ll have a material amount of roof space for solar to soak up a lot of loads from the habitation unit.
It’s totally bizarre how strong their opinions were while being completely out of touch with what is happening in the market.
The hydrogen folk honestly think within a few years no one will be buying EVs and yet don’t realise hydrogen costs 100% more than diesel before tax.
People say it’s the youth who have gone ‘wrong’ due to social media, I’d say the older folk are really giving them a run for their money.
I honestly couldn’t think of a better platform for a motor home than a full electric vehicle. Sure you’ll give up some ‘range’ but most motorhomes are fitted with gutless engines (140-190hp) in vehicles which can weigh over 4 tons.
You’ll benefit from having a huge battery which you can invert to 230V AC when you are not plugged in. You can also charge said battery when you are parked at most campsites and you’ll have a material amount of roof space for solar to soak up a lot of loads from the habitation unit.
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My best mate goes to campsites all over the country and his words "They don't allow EV owners to plug in, they are getting wise to it now"
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Which is fair enough - charging an EV is a little different to running a motorhome and they’re within their rights to charge for it. You’d probably also find that the electrics are not designed for (potentially) every pitch to be drawing a continuous 10 amps…
They’d probably make a killing have a dedicated 7KWH charger on site though!
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Theres either current limitations or cost impact. On the counter ive been to campsites where they have dedicated EV charges to avoid problems/add revenue stream/increase site appeal.
One of the issues state is that the infrastructure of the electrics of the campsite isnt capable of multiple 7Kw chargers, or even granny chargers operating for hours at a time. They can usually manage to have a few motor homes making meals/running TV's etc but EV draw a lot more power.
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Yeah exactly, most only rated for 16A max too.
I know there are plenty that don’t but they are ultimately giving up a revenue stream which doesn’t seem like the best long term business decision.
Sure there are probably some physical limitations on their infrastructure but the number of EVs visiting sites will be a small% of their customer base currently.
Sites tailored for caravans are probably better set up for it because every occupied pitch in winter will be running their blown air heating constantly.
I’ve charged my EV at every single one I have visited but then I only book places where I know I can - convince and all that. It’s not limiting either, camp sites are 10 a penny these days.
The two national organisations specifically allow it, one of them doesn’t even charge you extra, the other does. £7 a night to charge overnight which is perfectly reasonable IMO. I’d happily pay £10 and that’s still cheaper than a public charger.
I’ve not found the 16a to be that limiting. The plug socket circuits in a unit are usually limited to 10A so you can only charge at 9A once you knock off your fridge, battery charger etc.
Charging at 10A trips the internal breaker after a few mins. That leaves 6A available for heating and keeping the hot water topped up and they usually have a ~4.5A and ~9A setting.
Just have to member to knock the car off charge before you fire up the kettle.
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Yeah a lot won’t which is why the owners get frustrated and share with random guy I guess
No you are not missing anything. You just need a compatible car or charger to work with the relevant smart tariff.
Edit: the day rate can be higher depending on the tariff but it’s usually offset by the cheaper by the cheaper night rate.
Edit: the day rate can be higher depending on the tariff but it’s usually offset by the cheaper by the cheaper night rate.
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Not missing anything, between 12-7 I get 6.7p a unit. That means I now have everything on timers from heat pumps, dishwasher, washing machine, hot tub, dehumidifiers and of course EV charging. It works out comically cheap. Last week cost me £2 for 100 miles of driving.
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Last bill for our house was around 1000 kWh off peak and 350kWh on peak. ~11.2p average unit cost.
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21 camp sites that allow ev charging £7 per vehicle on this Web site, I chose a week in April just for clarity.Caravan and Motorhome Club
A page's description, usually one or two sentences.
Every single one of their club sites allowed EV charging on the pitch for £7, that filter is just for those with dedicated EV chargers.
We use them regularly, they are the upper end price wise but they are very consistent in terms of quality and experience.
Edit: they are mainly set up for caravans, motorhomes trailer and roof tents but some sites accept proper tents. Most pitches are hard standing which you wouldn’t want to put a tent on.
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After taking a pop green R5 for a test drive at Arnold Clark last week, a different dealer over in East Kilbride posted on social media that they had a blue demonstrator just in, so I went and had a look yesterday. And, well...
Ordered, should hopefully arrive in late May.
They offered me a much better trade-in value on my SEAT Leon than Arnold Shark and shaved a little off the price (something I was told last week "wasn't possible") which covers the extras I wanted, so I'm happy enough with that. I did consider waiting till later in the year to see if further discounts pop up but impatience got the better of me, and this way I'll have it in time for some good driving weather in the summer.
Ordered, should hopefully arrive in late May.
They offered me a much better trade-in value on my SEAT Leon than Arnold Shark and shaved a little off the price (something I was told last week "wasn't possible") which covers the extras I wanted, so I'm happy enough with that. I did consider waiting till later in the year to see if further discounts pop up but impatience got the better of me, and this way I'll have it in time for some good driving weather in the summer.