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jpaul said:
yes I linked the wrong max - had though it/dcc was series in max

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so that has a panoramic roof and dcc and that one has alloy wheels , so arguably at/above Born spec
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Dcc doesn’t change the tuning and 10mm lower. Get back to top Trumps and worrying about wireless connection as a key feature of a… car.

I’d Rather a nice interior than some random dcc you think is important (without actually experienced either)

Do you often go off on side quests about irrelevant stuff in life about how to chose what car to buy (without ever buying one yourself )

Tiresome
 
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Simon said:
DCC doesn’t come standard. Option like born

But look at it. Interior is horrible and looks so dull.
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DCC is standard on the ID.3 Max..

Interior you get used to, but is ‘bare’ and ‘low rent’ but you do get massage seats as standard.. The born is much much better, but, it also feels incredibly claustrophobic as well, the seats are way too bulky and the interior styling makes it feel like a smaller car.. I’ve had a Vz for 2 weeks recently, and had to keep reminding myself that it was actually the same dimensions as the ID.3

The VAG software is the Achilles heal IMO..

Having back to backed the Max with a non DCC version when we had the battery recall, the suspension is notably better..
 
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Its the only thing i took away from it with a metric, Polestar riding like a cart horse is somewhat of a stretch too!

They dont agreed, they read the reviews cold though...
 
Demon said:
DCC is standard on the ID.3 Max..

Interior you get used to, but is ‘bare’ and ‘low rent’ but you do get massage seats as standard.. The born is much much better, but, it also feels incredibly claustrophobic as well, the seats are way too bulky and the interior styling makes it feel like a smaller car.. I’ve had a Vz for 2 weeks recently, and had to keep reminding myself that it was actually the same dimensions as the ID.3

The VAG software is the Achilles heal IMO..

Having back to backed the Max with a non DCC version when we had the battery recall, the suspension is notably better..
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How did you find the Born VZ in terms of sportiness/'hot hatchiness'?

Was it noticeabley better than the standard Born?

I never had a chance to try a VZ (although they were too expensive anyway).
 
Why do people still give “professional” reviewers any credibility?

Owner forums, long term owners reviews and user groups with real ownership experience. Then test drives of a decent duration.

I did a 30 minute test drive of a 2023 Born 77kWh v3. Then I asked if I could come back a week later to sit in it and test the infotainment features and quirks. Followed by another 20 minute test drive before I put down a deposit.

That was enough for me to realise that even with 20” alloys and no DCC, the Born was not uncomfortable for me. I also realised that the infotainment system in 2023 and older models was not a worthless, laggy unusable mess. I also tested the 2024 versions with the “upgraded” infotainment system and came away thinking one is bad and the other is slightly less bad, but both are useable.
 
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Jono8 said:
How did you find the Born VZ in terms of sportiness/'hot hatchiness'?

Was it noticeabley better than the standard Born?

I never had a chance to try a VZ (although they were too expensive anyway).
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I've not driven a standard Born, I can only compare it to the ID.3 Max and a mid spec ID.3 Style..

The big thing is, the massive power increase and lovely sports seats really elevate it nicely.. the ID.3 Max really benefitted from DCC, but it also lacked front end composure if pushed, the Vz is much better and it can definitely make more of that extra power than I was expecting..

The only negatives are that it doesn't feel as taught as the Model Y, I can get on the power earlier and harder in that, but the Model Y front end isn't as good which makes driving on the limit harder, where as the Vz feels less taught/composed but has a nicer front end which makes you want to drive it quicker more of the time..
 
ICDP said:
Why do people still give “professional” reviewers any credibility?

Owner forums, long term owners reviews and user groups with real ownership experience. Then test drives of a decent duration.

I did a 30 minute test drive of a 2023 Born 77kWh v3. Then I asked if I could come back a week later to sit in it and test the infotainment features and quirks. Followed by another 20 minute test drive before I put down a deposit.

That was enough for me to realise that even with 20” alloys and no DCC, the Born was not uncomfortable for me. I also realised that the infotainment system in 2023 and older models was not a worthless, laggy unusable mess. I also tested the 2024 versions with the “upgraded” infotainment system and came away thinking one is bad and the other is slightly less bad, but both are useable.
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Ahhh owners forums are the worst lol

Either people who love the car or those who hate it. All the normal people getting on with their lives don't post anything

I find journo reviews quite useful. You have to learn what to pay attention to and what to tune out but they do at least drive loads of cars so can make a fair comparison. You just need to work out which bits of it are useful for you (eg. is the boot space actually practical or not compared to otehr cars in the segment) or not (mainly the banging on constantly about infotainment and amout of soft touch plastics)

edit: oh and yes they are always talking about optioning the adaptive dampers/air suspension which I tend to ignore lol
 
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Demon said:
I've not driven a standard Born, I can only compare it to the ID.3 Max and a mid spec ID.3 Style..

The big thing is, the massive power increase and lovely sports seats really elevate it nicely.. the ID.3 Max really benefitted from DCC, but it also lacked front end composure if pushed, the Vz is much better and it can definitely make more of that extra power than I was expecting..

The only negatives are that it doesn't feel as taught as the Model Y, I can get on the power earlier and harder in that, but the Model Y front end isn't as good which makes driving on the limit harder, where as the Vz feels less taught/composed but has a nicer front end which makes you want to drive it quicker more of the time..
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I’m only comparing the standard Born 77kWh eBoost model. But your assessment of the handling matches my own. It is a very nice handling car and the handling gives you more confidence than some other EVs. The power delivery is not as punchy and seems more linear than some similar priced EVs, like the Magane e-tech. So much so that some would swear the e-tech is a faster EV, yet it isn’t.
 
chanjy said:
Ahhh owners forums are the worst lol

Either people who love the car or those who hate it. All the normal people getting on with their lives don't post anything

I find journo reviews quite useful. You have to learn what to pay attention to and what to tune out but they do at least drive loads of cars so can make a fair comparison. You just need to work out which bits of it are useful for you (eg. is the boot space actually practical or not compared to otehr cars in the segment) or not (mainly the banging on constantly about infotainment and amout of soft touch plastics)

edit: oh and yes they are always talking about optioning the adaptive dampers/air suspension which I tend to ignore lol
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Yes but all that useful stuff about boot size and practicality I can get from spec sheets. The owner forums at least presents me with a list of known issues and for the most part you learn to filter out the crap.

The problem with those short reviews where they have the car for a day, is the lack of real features.

For EVs
- How is the remote app
- Is the app features going to run out and how much to renew?
- How much does a warranty extension cost
- What is the customer support like.

I don’t need to know if the vents are real with a stick test. Or if the parcel shelf fits inside the boot.
 
My ev remote app interview question remains - could I remotely defrost the Ev in the poor mobile signal bermuda triangle I live in, most can't be woken via wireless.
(contrived workarounds of waking the car by initiating a charge seem only work arounds). Equally having an ev charger that exclusively uses mobile signal(ohme)would also be out.

Demon said:
DCC is standard on the ID.3 Max..
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I had thought that .. so it seems autotrader adds are missing a trick in not itemizing it.
 
ICDP said:
Yes but all that useful stuff about boot size and practicality I can get from spec sheets. The owner forums at least presents me with a list of known issues and for the most part you learn to filter out the crap.

The problem with those short reviews where they have the car for a day, is the lack of real features.

For EVs
- How is the remote app
- Is the app features going to run out and how much to renew?
- How much does a warranty extension cost
- What is the customer support like.

I don’t need to know if the vents are real with a stick test. Or if the parcel shelf fits inside the boot.
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I agree, the other things for me are:
How quickly does it actually recharge in the real world.
How is the infotainment to actually use (inc charging planning for long trips).
What else do I need to pay for.

Soon to be added to the list will be:
Does it support V2G/H and how much if the additional hardware I need and is that bespoke to this car.
 
jpaul said:
My ev remote app interview question remains - could I remotely defrost the Ev in the poor mobile signal bermuda triangle I live in, most can't be woken via wireless.
(contrived workarounds of waking the car by initiating a charge seem only work arounds). Equally having an ev charger that exclusively uses mobile signal(ohme)would also be out.


I had thought that .. so it seems autotrader adds are missing a trick in not itemizing it.
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why is this an EV question? Can you remotely defrost your ICE car in the same circumstances.
if you can then chances are you will be able to with an EV. if you cant then why does it matter, its a feature you cant use either way so EV or not does not come into it does it?
if you dont want an EV you dont have to buy one, however you seem hellbent on finding the most convoluted reason to prove an EV is broken for you some how. i dont get it tbh.
if its really an issue could you buy a mobile booster for your garage or something? before some jobsworth complained and got them taken down our work installed them through out our offices and they definitely helped.
 
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Well I've gone ev, test drove an i4 last Wednesday and done a deal on a Oct 24 registered 40 m sport today. I initially plan to charge over 3 pin, as we're only making shortish journeys at the moment, then will get some quotes from a local installer(s) for a wall charger..
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
I agree, the other things for me are:
How quickly does it actually recharge in the real world.
How is the infotainment to actually use (inc charging planning for long trips).
What else do I need to pay for.

Soon to be added to the list will be:
Does it support V2G/H and how much if the additional hardware I need and is that bespoke to this car.
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I get it I really do but the answer on owners pages for your first question is likely to be

  • OMG look how fast I charged! Don't we have the best car in the world!?! Let's circlejerk
  • OMG charging is **** I charged at an ultra rapid for an hour and got 29kWh AND the CPO put a £45 hold on my card I hate EVs and I'm never buying another one
A review (and most cars have a few long term reviews by reputable car sites - I'm not talking a useless Mat Watson review here) will be just as helpful if not more and save you slowly losing your soul realising that only numpties join owner's forums to post stuff about their EVs
 
True and the infotainment stuff you are really only going to find out for yourself as it can be very personal preference. One persons ‘fine’ is another persons laggy mess, I tend to be in the latter camp.

You can usually find good information on charging curves online these days. jpaul’s favourite Norwegian YouTuber will have probably done a video on it before cars land in our market, although generally I am more interested in performance in less than ideal conditions.
 
jpaul said:
My ev remote app interview question remains - could I remotely defrost the Ev in the poor mobile signal bermuda triangle I live in, most can't be woken via wireless.
(contrived workarounds of waking the car by initiating a charge seem only work arounds). Equally having an ev charger that exclusively uses mobile signal(ohme)would also be out.


I had thought that .. so it seems autotrader adds are missing a trick in not itemizing it.
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No as the app doesn't use wifi to talke to the car - it uses Mobile Data. Who are you even asking here anyway.

JUST SET A TIMER..
 
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jpaul said:
My ev remote app interview question remains - could I remotely defrost the Ev in the poor mobile signal bermuda triangle I live in, most can't be woken via wireless.
(contrived workarounds of waking the car by initiating a charge seem only work arounds). Equally having an ev charger that exclusively uses mobile signal(ohme)would also be out.


I had thought that .. so it seems autotrader adds are missing a trick in not itemizing it.
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Just set the timer. Edit. Same as above.

Or like my born had a setting. Unlock it and it turns heating on
 
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