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cuke2u said:
For the last four years I've been hopping from a M235i that had a ecu tune, thus 349ps and 536Nm, and faster than my i4, into a 1.0 Fiesta and back.
Both have their attributes but I quite like chucking the Ford about around corners and the feel transmitted from the controls is far better than both BMW's and it would run circles around the majority of ev's, then there is also the challenge of having only 99ps brings. The i4 feels detached from what is going on, a bit 'floaty' around the twisty bits and the steering definitely doesn't give anything like the feedback the fiesta gives, the drive is just too sanitised.
Whilst ev's are great they aren't superior to ice's, both are just different with each having their positives and negatives and I feel it is incorrect to suggest all petrol engined car are inferior.
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But this also highlights the myopic mentality where people declare all EVs as “poor drivers car”. A light Fiesta 1.0 has a going to be far more nimble than even the majority of ICE cars on the road.

Yet a Kia Sportage diesel is never going to feel like a drivers car either.

The point being that there is a wide spectrum of car types that fall under the EV category. Some of them are very driver focused (far more than an i4 BMW).

You can’t generalise.
 
Kenai said:
Pointing out that a car first released in 2020 is good shows someone how wrong they were for saying there weren't decent enough options in 2018? Not sure I agree on that.
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The Jaguar I-Pace existed and is still seen as a very good drivers car. So saying there were no good driver focused EVs 7 years ago was and is demonstrably wrong.
 
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ICDP said:
The Jaguar I-Pace existed and is still seen as a very good drivers car. So saying there were no good driver focused EVs 7 years ago was and is demonstrably wrong.
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Nobody mentioned "driver focused", don't start adding clauses to try and make it make sense :p

The market has come on leaps and bounds to get where it is today, we don't need to pretend it was better than it was in 2018 and try and make out people were wrong to criticise the range of available cars back then.
 
Diagro said:
Just had my Isolation switch installed.

I have one of these on the way to install and then connect the Tesla Wall Connector to: https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/pro...7nqfWVx8kuirY_q96tAaAgEQEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Once that's done. It will all be compliant :)
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Out of interest and not being big into electrics, if the charger is 32a and the breaker is 32a does that not mean it may trip quite often? The unit fitted between my charger and electric supply is a 40a rated one.

This is mine: https://www.voltaev.co.uk/products/wced-a-type-rcbo-40a-ev-protect-unit-surge-ip65
 
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Diagro said:
I have one of these on the way to install and then connect the Tesla Wall Connector to: https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/pro...7nqfWVx8kuirY_q96tAaAgEQEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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yes interesting does that have pme fault detection so you could use a commando charger connection (specs unclear) - that 'looks' better quality than what I considered
jpaul said:
if we then had a
PME FAULT DETECTION METAL CU WITH RCBO AND SURGE PROTECTION £85

www.evchargingcablestore.com

Vinfast - 32A 1 Phase Commando Charger

Vinfast compatible Commando socket charger that will allow you to charge the Type 2 socket Vinfast EV using a 32A 1 Phase CEE / Commando / camping socket.
www.evchargingcablestore.com www.evchargingcablestore.com

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Kenai said:
we don't need to pretend it was better than it was in 2018 and try and make out people were wrong to criticise the range of available cars back then.
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in the same manner that current handling might be similarly criticized in 7 years time , unfortunately seems that is a careabout lumped with performance.
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jpaul said:
yes interesting does that have pme fault detection so you could use a commando charger connection (specs unclear) - that 'looks' better quality than what I considered






in the same manner that current handling might be similarly criticized in 7 years time , unfortunately seems that is a careabout lumped with performance.
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The unit i have coming does have th
kefkef said:
Out of interest and not being big into electrics, if the charger is 32a and the breaker is 32a does that not mean it may trip quite often? The unit fitted between my charger and electric supply is a 40a rated one.

This is mine: https://www.voltaev.co.uk/products/wced-a-type-rcbo-40a-ev-protect-unit-surge-ip65
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Nah it wont trip.
I bought the one I have as it has PEN detection.
The Tesla Wall Connector Gen 3, doesn't have that, so to ensure It's compliant I needed the PEN feature.

a 32A MCB or RCBO is designed to have up to and inc 32a. That's its designed load.
There is a curve that you can apply to the over current prior to it tripping.
For example, if you were to pass 36A through it, it may last a while before it trips.
A typical trip curve would see it reach 46A for a little while prior to tripping.
However, if you throw 2* rated current, It will trip in seconds.

You can get different types.
Type B can be *3 or *5 for it to trip instantly.
Type C is 5* or 10*
Type D can be much higher, which is good for industrial motors etc. As their starting current is much higher.

I can give you a much more detailed thing if you want. But hopefully youll get the jist. I wrote this pretty quick on my phone.
 
ICDP said:
But this also highlights the myopic mentality where people declare all EVs as “poor drivers car”. A light Fiesta 1.0 has a going to be far more nimble than even the majority of ICE cars on the road.

Yet a Kia Sportage diesel is never going to feel like a drivers car either.

The point being that there is a wide spectrum of car types that fall under the EV category. Some of them are very driver focused (far more than an i4 BMW).

You can’t generalise.
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I rest my case, each have their own attributes, however I was quoting a certain post and it is without saying there are good handling ev's out there, one would hope so. But I can only speak from my own experiences from what I've got in comparison. However I never stated that all ev's are a poor drivers car either.
 
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kefkef said:
My BMW app is set to charge immediately, my OHME charger is linked to Intelligent Octopus and i set the charge schedule in my OHME app to 80% by 5:30am with dynamic charging set to on so it only charges during the cheaper times.

50-70, well i don't think 1.7s is too shabby..... :D
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Thanks, have set my bmw up the same so I'll see how it goes overnight.
 
Kenai said:
Nobody mentioned "driver focused", don't start adding clauses to try and make it make sense :p

The market has come on leaps and bounds to get where it is today, we don't need to pretend it was better than it was in 2018 and try and make out people were wrong to criticise the range of available cars back then.
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Er, the initial reply that was edited was quoting someone claiming they would not not get an EV until they were good to drive. That was from 2018 and it was indeed possible to get a good driving EV back then. I only need to list one example to prove that statement wrong.
 
cuke2u said:
I rest my case, each have their own attributes, however I was quoting a certain post and it is without saying there are good handling ev's out there, one would hope so. But I can only speak from my own experiences from what I've got in comparison. However I never stated that all ev's are a poor drivers car either.
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Then we are making the same point about generalising because even comparing a light Fiesta to a heavy 4 series ICE only proves some ICE cars can be relatively poor. Even in 2018 it was possible to get a good handling EV.
 
ICDP said:
Er, the initial reply that was edited was quoting someone claiming they would not not get an EV until they were good to drive.
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Incorrect, it just said "When someone makes a decent fully electric car." and there are plenty of reasons someone could or would consider the iPace not to be one generally, not least the fact it's a massive SUV style car.

Notwithstanding that, it doesn't change the fact that the original post using a 2020 onwards car was clearly nonsense and did absolutely nothing to "show how wrong that statement was" as you first claimed.
 
Then you didn’t follow the post back through the original flow because it was about “driving feel”.

Anyway let’s agree you are wrong and move on. ;)
 
ICDP said:
Then we are making the same point about generalising because even comparing a light Fiesta to a heavy 4 series ICE only proves some ICE cars can be relatively poor. Even in 2018 it was possible to get a good handling EV.
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Exactly, but I wasn't making any assumptions about ev's at all. Your defence is unwarranted really. If you read my post correctly you would have noted the words 'the majority of ev's. Yes it was also about driving feel as well.
As far as the ipace is concerned, and I've read many reviews of the model, I would need to drive one first but that is very unlikely. I considered it, my partner took one look and walked off, far too bulbous...
 
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Model X
Model S
Model 3
Audi E-Tron (missed 2018 by 3 months)
I-Pace

So yes regardless of how you define “decent” there were plenty of decent EVs around that time
 
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