EV general discussion

It’s the same with ICE MPG claims being about 25% - 30% way over reality. The problem with EVs is the difference between “best case scenario” and reality is so much more noticeable.

MPH claims of 55 mpg, real life 40 mph is barely noticeable when you still get 600 miles to a full tank.

Claiming 350 WLTP but getting 300, or even just 220 in winter is so much more noticeable. Then you factor in the fact these numbers are only if you charge to 100%, but they recommend only charging to 80%.

They don’t help themselves do they?

Probably didn't help I was coming from a Tesla Model 3 and was a bit ignorant to range estimation in vehicles. The P2 is rather pessimistic compared to the Tesla so when the computer in the model 3 said 300 I believed it...although wrong.
 
The range number next to the battery icon in a Tesla doesn’t take into account how you drive the car.

It’s a fixed calculation based on energy remaining in the battery and the cars rated range in America.

Given the number is utterly pointless, i switch it to show the % remaining.

The car only gives you an actual estimate of your journey if you program a destination in the navigation. That in my experience is very accurate if you stick to posted speed limits.
 
I can see why that would seem to be the only valid metric, but for many people it doesn’t always matter how far you are driving in one trip, but how long you get before having to charge again for daily use.

A lot of the EV owning people I know tend to charge to 100% in winter because of their range anxiety seeing 150 - 160 miles of range at 80%.
I don't get why you would do that, unless you knew you had a long journey.

I don't religiously charge to only 80%, but I only ever really charge to 100% when I know I'm going to need it for a specific journey.
 
I don't get why you would do that, unless you knew you had a long journey.

I don't religiously charge to only 80%, but I only ever really charge to 100% when I know I'm going to need it for a specific journey.
Yeah I don't drive mine much so don't need to charge it much. I tend to charge it slow so my house electric is cheap on octopus intelligent go though :D (which is being changed end of Jan)
 
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I don't get why you would do that, unless you knew you had a long journey.

I don't religiously charge to only 80%, but I only ever really charge to 100% when I know I'm going to need it for a specific journey.

I absolutely agree. But a few EV owners I know have an allergic reaction to seeing their range show so low in winter. Charging to 100% despite not needing it seems a winter range anxiety coping mechanism.

I can see it for people with shorter range EVs and multiple EVs sharing one home charger. But yeah, for most use cases it makes no sense.
 
I am a 100% charger. If you're using the car every day then why not?

It means I plug in less often

Depends on your long term interest in the car really, little and often charging from 60% to 80% rather than infrequent run down to 5% and recharge to 100% is going to be better for the long term health of the battery.

If you're on a 3 year lease and will never see the car again after that, it won't really make any difference to you, no.
 
Everyone just ignores the 55 MPG number because it’s not real world and most cars don’t actually get 600 miles to a tank either. Hardly any do these days given how few are diesel and there are almost as many EVs out there now as diesels.

I dunno - it is hard to get a real picture of it given millions of cars on the road and specific models only having 10s of thousands still on the road but for example the diesel Qashqais were one of the best selling cars for awhile and still a lot of 1.5 and 1.6 diesel Qashqais still out there - rated for 700-900 miles depending on model, real world 500-600 for combined or 600-700 if mostly motorway at a good cruising speed, or less if just around town. The VW Tourans mostly get 600+ miles on a tank and still around 80K on the road.

EDIT: There are still way more diesels on the road than EVs - though the market for new ones has fallen off a cliff in the last couple of years - current estimation is for them to reach parity somewhere around 2030.
 
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There is no sport mode in the car from what I can see so it's the same whether I'm pootling or pressing on.

Ah that is interesting, there is a sports mode but it seems from Googling it is a body control program rather than altering things like throttle map. Potentially a bit of a missed opportunity.
 
Depends on your long term interest in the car really, little and often charging from 60% to 80% rather than infrequent run down to 5% and recharge to 100% is going to be better for the long term health of the battery.

If you're on a 3 year lease and will never see the car again after that, it won't really make any difference to you, no.
I doubt it tbh, given the buffer 100% isn't actually 100% anyway :)
 
Ah that is interesting, there is a sports mode but it seems from Googling it is a body control program rather than altering things like throttle map. Potentially a bit of a missed opportunity.
Yeah, absolutely. Would change the way it feels in spirited driving for sure. I totally forgot about this sport mode in the car, think because it just turned off ESC I discounted ever using it. I’m not sure I want 700-800nm and nearly 500bhp without any ESC….

In other news, I appreciated the 2.2 tonnes of it in the journey home in this storm.
 
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I am a 100% charger. If you're using the car every day then why not?

It means I plug in less often

Me too, I use 20% a day in general, then a potential longer run aswell, so I just come home every day and plug in & charge to 100%. This shields me from the changes to IOG somewhat aswell. Mines a company car, im using this strategy to see what the impact will be on battery health after 3 years.
 
No they don't
I guess it depends if you have an iron bladder capable of doing 600 miles without stopping or are happy to pee on the side of the road I suppose.

I once did Cambridge to Newcastle without stopping once.
by the end of it I was about to pee myself and with hindsight I was probably not fit to be driving as was going Google eyed.. but doing it in my EV would have taken a bit longer.


however for most people (including myself these days) who dont go more than 3 hrs without a leg stretch and a coffee or a pee break then the difference between ice and EV is negligible imo , certainly in most parts of the UK.
 
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I guess it depends if you have an iron bladder capable of doing 600 miles without stopping or are happy to pee on the side of the road I suppose.

I once did Cambridge to Newcastle without stopping once.
by the end of it I was about to pee myself and with hindsight I was probably not fit to be driving as was going Google eyed.. but doing it in my EV would have taken a bit longer.


however for most people (including myself these days) who dont go more than 3 hrs without a leg stretch and a coffee or a pee break then the difference between ice and EV is negligible imo , certainly in most parts of the UK.
That is the same predicament for an ICE car. And any modern chargers I've used at services will happily give me 30 to 40pc range in the 15 minutes it takes me to pee and grab a coffee
 
No they don't

This is where it gets very subjective person to person and vehicle to vehicle - personally I'm conditioned from doing a lot of long journeys from a young age and a lifetime spending quite a bit on the road - I can easily, and actually prefer, pushing on and doing substantial mileage with maybe briefly stretching legs and/or topping up with fuel. Other people will take like 3 breaks in the same journey adding an hour or two to the trip.
 
This is where it gets very subjective person to person and vehicle to vehicle - personally I'm conditioned from doing a lot of long journeys from a young age and a lifetime spending quite a bit on the road - I can easily, and actually prefer, pushing on and doing substantial mileage with maybe briefly stretching legs and/or topping up with fuel. Other people will take like 3 breaks in the same journey adding an hour or two to the trip.
Same - but even now, as I get older, I'm happy to go into the services and have a wander - pick up a sandwich or coffee and take the opportunity for a pee. You just have to remember to charge :D
 
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I can see why that would seem to be the only valid metric, but for many people it doesn’t always matter how far you are driving in one trip, but how long you get before having to charge again for daily use.
Dunno? Aren't they the same thing? Worry about trips 3&4 rather than 1&2?
Two polar opposite viewpoints might be a good thing right? I saw the light and it wasn't, er, electric.
 
Same - but even now, as I get older, I'm happy to go into the services and have a wander - pick up a sandwich or coffee and take the opportunity for a pee. You just have to remember to charge :D

I do wonder if those "casinos" in services are seeing an uptick in business since people started charging their EVs there.
 
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