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Please say more. Why? :)

In my post above I meant I didn't have much time to look at the PV5 in that instance was a few things I'd have liked to look into in more depth - it isn't my first experience of them as a passenger with kids, etc.

I don't really have a specific why but my dad had the older Sharan when we were kids and my brother in law has the newer one which we spent some time with on holiday recently and there are a lot of nuances like the individual seat flexibility which makes a difference when you've got a bunch of kids and doing a lot of miles.

EDIT: With the coming 7 seater version the 2+2+3 is generally less practical when you have 5 with a mix of 1-2 adults 3-4 children.
 
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Yeah, my family had the Galaxy. They definately have a place in the market, and they're very useful for the right family. If you're needing more than 5 seats or regularly need to lug loads of stuff around they were brilliant, albeit thirsty in many cases. Basically that whole people carrier/minivan/minibus niche in a nutshell.
The PV5 is probably a great MPV/Galaxy/Sharan style replacement; I just don't think 2.7m/kwh is anything we should be celebrating in 2026, especially not as a suggestion as a more generalist family car, especially when coupled with a not amazing total range which is more likely to push people to public charging :)
 
If you want to consider the SUV as all anyone wants these days, then you need to actually take a look at the market.

1. Ford Puma - 24,358 - SUV
2. Kia Sportage - 21,274 - SUV
3. Jaecoo 7 - 20,695 - SUV
4. Nissan Qashqai - 18,558 - SUV
5. Vauxhall Corsa - 15,863
6. Volkswagen Golf - 14,658
7. Volvo XC40 - 13,478 - SUV
8. MG HS - 13,475 - SUV
9. MINI Cooper - 13,291
10. Volkswagen Tiguan - 12,647 - SUV

Thank you for proving my point lol
 
1. Ford Puma - 24,358 - SUV
2. Kia Sportage - 21,274 - SUV
3. Jaecoo 7 - 20,695 - SUV
4. Nissan Qashqai - 18,558 - SUV
5. Vauxhall Corsa - 15,863
6. Volkswagen Golf - 14,658
7. Volvo XC40 - 13,478 - SUV
8. MG HS - 13,475 - SUV
9. MINI Cooper - 13,291
10. Volkswagen Tiguan - 12,647 - SUV

Thank you for proving my point lol

You’re proving my point more than yours.

I’m not saying crossovers don’t sell. I literally said hatchback through mini-SUV/crossover is where the mainstream family market sits.
A Puma, Qashqai, Sportage, XC40 or Tiguan is exactly the sort of mainstream family-car territory I’m talking about. They’re not van-derived MPVs or PV5-style people carriers which is where this discussion started and that was crowned 'family car of the year'.
The point was never “nobody buys SUVs”. The point was that the average family car market is mostly hatchback to MiniSUV sized, not £35-40k van/MPV sized, and ALL the cars on that list are all considerably smaller than that, even the largest ones. If large SUVs were all the market wanted, there certainly wouldn't be Corsa, Golf or Mini Coopers on that list either.
The most sold car of 2025 in the UK was the Ford Puma, which by general description is "A small, subcompact mini/hybrid SUV, Roughly the size of a hatchback, but a little taller". It is a hybrid hatchback/mini-SUV. The cars on that list are all mini-SUVs or smaller. Not people carriers or van adjacent.


Again, just take a walk through an average UK shopping centre or supermarket car park and it'll say a lot, there are far more hatchback to mini-SUVs than anything MPV style.
 
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I mean as a van, doing local van things, it seems to be able to van well.

Yes it's such a delightful famil....van :D

In all seriousness, my objection to the PV5 is the range/efficiency and classification, not that it's not a decent vehicle for it's niche, and that highlights the chassis is broadly decent :)
 
The cars on that list are all mini-SUVs or smaller. Not people carriers or van adjacent.
We've moved off the van topic (since we clearly are talking at cross purposes on that one), we were talking about your 'they'll sell like hot cakes if they can make THIS (fantasy updated Ioniq nobody actually buys)' comment

Never mind
 
Also the 'car derived van' and 'van derived car' thing is a little more nuanced with EV architecture with manufacturers applying the skateboard chassis design. The lines are certainly more blurred than simply having a van with more seats or a car with less.
 
To be fair, your usecase is exactly where something like the PV5 makes far more sense, providing you can find one at the right price.

I don't think anyone was saying the PV5 is the worst thing anyone could buy, or that it has no valid audience. If you need van/MPV levels of space, V2L, dog/camping gear capacity and an EV drivetrain, then yes, it could be a genuinely strong fit, but it's not an efficiency contender, and that will hurt it somewhat especially if you push the range, and unfortunately real world it seems like the PV5 will struggle to do longer mileage without public charging.

My objection was more to Auto Express framing it as the overall “Family Car of the Year”, because I think for the average family it’s a niche, relatively expensive, relatively inefficient option, and most families are probably shopping somewhere closer to Golf/Focus/Kona/Qashqai/EV3/Dolphin-type territory.

For your specific requirements though, the list gets much shorter, and like the poster earlier who wanted it for his mates and bike trips, it might fit the bill. You’re basically looking at things like:
- Kia PV5
- ID Buzz, if the budget works used

Basically the only 2 options if I want to stick with EV

- maybe EV9/EV6/Ioniq 5 if the boot shape works, although dog + camping gear may be tight
- Skoda Enyaq / VW ID.4 / Hyundai Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6 or the Kona for more normal SUV/crossover options, but again they may not match the PV5 for load space

The EV9 might "just" do it (although the rear seats take up a lot of usable space), but good luck getting one close to £30k, the others are alll too small, the Kona is smaller than the eNiro I have at the moment!

- possibly a used e-Berlingo/e-Rifter type thing, but range/charging/efficiency can be pretty compromised

If you think the PV5 is niche because of range and poor efficiency then these should be in the bin! (There's a reason they are so cheap used...)

So yes, for *your* use case, I can absolutely see the PV5 being right near the top. That’s basically my point though, it feels more like a brilliant utility/leisure/large-space EV than the default family car for the average household. The average family isn't regularly moving a large dog, large tent, and camping and beach gear, at least not all at the same time :)

Depends on the family surely? If you see a "family" car as purely something to take the kids to school and nip to the shops then sure, a little city car will do the job (in which case range isn't a consideration anyway). If you actually DO stuff as a family then by the time you've got the kids and all their stuff in, there's no space for anything else. Even before we got the dog we struggled for space at times in an Octavia estate. Sure not every family has a dog, but according to a quick Google, 52% of UK households with children do.

Yes you're absolutely correct that it's not something that's done regularly (although I'd argue that more often than not, the camping and beach gear is going together, and you're not going to leave the dog at home!)

The alternative would be to have a smaller "family" car, and rent a van/minibus whenever the need arises, but having to spend £5-600 several times a year for a week away does somewhat dwarf the £3-400* extra in electricity due to the poor efficiency.

That's ignoring the difficulty of finding one you're actually allowed to carry pets in (or at least doesn't come with a hefty surcharge/cleaning fee for doing so).

Again, just take a walk through an average UK shopping centre or supermarket car park and it'll say a lot, there are far more hatchback to mini-SUVs than anything MPV style.

Hell of a lot of MPVs round here to be honest, Tourans, Sharans, i800s, Caddys, the various Stellantis variants, Estimas (although to be fair those are mostly taxis), and of course the ever popular VW transporter. Sure, it's certainly not the majority of vehicles, maybe 25%? That's still a significant number!

I definitely get what you're saying about it not being for everyone, but I think it fills a bigger role than you're giving it credit for.

Sure, at the moment the price is an issue, but the same could be said for any other family car when bought new. If someone is really that worried about paying the extra £3-400* in electricity vs a smaller more efficient vehicle, then arguably they're not really in a position they should be buying a new car in the first place, in which case any "family car of the year" is utterly irrelevant to them until they can buy a 4-5 year old one.


* I do take issue with this figure, as I think it's a bit disingenuous to think that the vast majority of people who get an EV aren't going to be on an EV tariff, even if they're not an EV/car enthusiast, but even so, as a worst-case scenario, it's a drop in the ocean compared to overall motoring costs, and certainly still a significant saving over any equivalent ICE
 
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We've moved off the van topic (since we clearly are talking at cross purposes on that one), we were talking about your 'they'll sell like hot cakes if they can make THIS (fantasy updated Ioniq nobody actually buys)' comment

Never mind

We’re only talking at cross purposes because you keep changing my point into something I’m not saying.

I’ve repeatedly said the body style could be a crossover/mini-SUV if that’s where the market is. The point is the missing efficiency first, practical, affordable mainstream family EV, much like the old Ioniq used to be, not literally remaking the old Ioniq.
The figures I linked also clearly showed there is a market for a broad range of vehicles, from hatchback to mini-SUV, and even within those categories there is substantial variation in terms of size and profile. The best seller this year and last is essentially a taller hatchback.

Likewise, my PV5 objection was never “it’s useless”; it was that it’s more van/MPV/utility niche than broad Family Car of the Year.
 
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Also the 'car derived van' and 'van derived car' thing is a little more nuanced with EV architecture with manufacturers applying the skateboard chassis design. The lines are certainly more blurred than simply having a van with more seats or a car with less.

Very true, a lot of them are essentially building a platform, and then putting multiple vehicles of various sizes on the same platform.
 
Basically the only 2 options if I want to stick with EV....
(long post so don't want to quote the entire thing)

That’s fair, and I think your use case and scenario is one of the stronger arguments and genuine cases for the PV5 as a vehicle to market.

If you regularly need to move kids, dog, camping gear, beach stuff etc, then yes, something with proper van/MPV levels of space makes a lot more sense. I’m not arguing that nobody should buy one, or that it has no valid audience, or even that the audience is small. For that sort of use case, I can absolutely see why the PV5 would be near the top of your list of choices, and also why it will no doubt move a decent amount, there IS a market for this sort of vehicle. My family used to have a Galaxy themselves. That’s also why I said the list gets much shorter for your requirements. Once you add large dog, tent/camping kit, 2 adults, 2 kids, V2L and EV drivetrain, you’re not really shopping in normal Kona/EV3/Dolphin territory anymore.

At that point you’re well into large MPV/utility/leisure EV territory, where the PV5, ID Buzz, maybe EV9/Ioniq 5/Enyaq depending on boot shape, are the more realistic candidates, with pricing becoming difficult. (which is also where I appreciate the PV5 becomes more tempting)

Where I still disagree is with treating that as the default “Family Car of the Year” answer.

What you’re describing is a large-space family utility/leisure requirement, more specialist than the broad family car answer, not what I’d consider the average UK family car usecase (or size). That doesn’t make your usecase invalid at all, it just makes it more specialised.

On the efficiency/range point, I agree the van-derived alternatives are often compromised too. That’s partly my point: most of this class is not especially efficient, and if you need that space then you accept that compromise. But it's not necessarily a good compromise for the average family. I’m not saying there is an obviously better PV5-shaped alternative. I’m saying it is a niche where the compromise may be worth it.

On the cost point, I’m also not saying everyone pays 40p/kWh blended (home/public combined cost) either. If someone has a cheap EV tariff and mostly charges at home, EV running costs can be superb. I’ve had that myself, where the fuel savings genuinely offset a big chunk of the finance. My point is more that efficiency and range still matters, regardless of vehicle, because it reduces exposure to expensive charging. Not everyone will be on an EV Tariff (for whatever reason) and with the current push for EV to be more mass market, we have to recognise we, in an EV enthusiast forum, are not exactly representative of the wider market...even those with EVs. My point is more that once EVs move further into the mainstream, not every owner will be on the ideal tariff, not every owner can home charge, and public charging still exists in the real world cost mix. Efficiency reduces exposure to all of that. There is an absolute reason sites like MSE have been drumming on about tariff jumping for so bloody long, because the vast majority of users do not do it.

If something is being represented as car of the year for families, with zero caveats or wider specifications, then we do have to consider it as aimed at the majority and not the more enthusiast minority. In this case then surely it should not have one of the worse economies to run available? To that point a car doing 4.5-5 mi/kWh, or even 3.5-4.5m/kWh is in a very different place to one doing 2.5-2.7 mi/kWh when you do need to use public charging. Even if public charging is only occasional, lower efficiency and shorter range make you more likely to need it, and make it more expensive when you do. Not ideal for a family runaround.


So I’d probably separate it like this:
PV5 as a van/MPV/large utility EV for families with bulky hobbies, dogs, camping gear, V2L needs etc? Absolutely, I can see the appeal, and at that point, the cost and tradeoffs become worth it, and the PV5 becomes a worthwhile consideration.
PV5 as the broad benchmark “Family Car of the Year” for the average household; or for a wider family car? That’s where I still think it’s a strange choice, mainly because of efficiency, range and classification, and because there are other better options for many.

Arguably I'd think a Kona would be a better choice for many, especially with the current discounts, if you could get a good cash/finance rate; and cost almost half as much to run.
 
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Well at least if you ask Auto-Express, it's a car :D


Breaking News: Auto Express names new “Best Plane of the Year” award winner. It is also a boat.
 
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The Buzz definately has something going for it. I just can't look at it and not think of the classic VW Camper though, and I don't know if that's a good or bad thing!
Bet you could fit a bloody fantastic sound system in the thing though haha
 
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I think it looking like the older campers was pretty much the point of the styling :p
Yes, exactly, that was my point. I just can't not see it, imagine it etc. It's almost like you see one and you start hearing 'the hills are alive with the sound of music' replete with alpine imagery :D
At the same time, the OG VW Campers look SO 1960s at this point so I'm not sure it's a connection I want lol
 
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