EV general discussion

[Jonnycoupe]

The MCU replacement based on memory write only allowing 1000 or so “events” is pretty crippling for multimedia reliability regardless of daily ease of use and function.

 

[Journey]

I don't see their survey technique as too subjective -

I've yet to be able to find a sample survey, so that you can decide for yourself if it is or isn't.

I am also surprised that money changing hands doesn't raise alarm bells from an independent company, seems those who spend more (especially American brands) rank higher if they are incorporating J D Power into their adverts.

Bottom listed cars...

28. Mercedes-Benz (202)
29. Volvo (210)
30. Audi (225)
31. Land Rover (228)
32. Tesla (250)

People had less problems with A Chevy? I hardly think so. Kia coming top, you get laughed at by any one in Motors if you suggested that Kia are better than BMW.

 

[jpaul]

OK - youv'e got me I had forgotten about that tesla mcu issue and was thinking about a multitude of people moaning about their mbux and idrive, which would down rate 'premium' brands.

 

[nam]

Found this for the differences from freemont Vs China, i heard there is another revision due this year

Just seen Bjorn Post a new vid of the MIC Model 3 SR+

 

[Jonnycoupe]

I've yet to be able to find a sample survey, so that you can decide for yourself if it is or isn't.

I am also surprised that money changing hands doesn't raise alarm bells from an independent company, seems those who spend more (especially American brands) rank higher if they are incorporating J D Power into their adverts.

Bottom listed cars...

28. Mercedes-Benz (202)
29. Volvo (210)
30. Audi (225)
31. Land Rover (228)
32. Tesla (250)

People had less problems with A Chevy? I hardly think so. Kia coming top, you get laughed at by any one in Motors if you suggested that Kia are better than BMW.

a lot of this is expectation against reality aswell. Buyers of Kia products are likely to be less demanding of attributes and premium features, therefore are more tolerate of foibles or error states.
They might well be “better” at customer satisfaction, in the same way Dacia Dusters offer satisfaction. You go in with your eyes open!

 

[Simon]

I've yet to be able to find a sample survey, so that you can decide for yourself if it is or isn't.

I am also surprised that money changing hands doesn't raise alarm bells from an independent company, seems those who spend more (especially American brands) rank higher if they are incorporating J D Power into their adverts.

Bottom listed cars...

28. Mercedes-Benz (202)
29. Volvo (210)
30. Audi (225)
31. Land Rover (228)
32. Tesla (250)

People had less problems with A Chevy? I hardly think so. Kia coming top, you get laughed at by any one in Motors if you suggested that Kia are better than BMW.

Again. Reliability doesn’t mean it’s a better car

 

[Greebo]

People had less problems with A Chevy? I hardly think so. Kia coming top, you get laughed at by any one in Motors if you suggested that Kia are better than BMW.

No it just means the Kia is more reliable.

Look the the Range Rovers. Great cars but plagued with issues. My old bosses Range Rover Sport rear wheel caught fire the first day he used it and with only 14,000 miles on the clock it needed a new rear axle. Its experiences like his which pulls down the big western car builders lower on the reliability surveys.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Kia coming top, you get laughed at by any one in Motors if you suggested that Kia are better than BMW.

In terms of reliability and dependability if anyone asks me for a no hassle car that will just work I always suggest Kia. I cant see why anyone would laugh at you for suggesting a Kia as more reliable than a German car - it's almost certainly true.

 

[Journey]

In terms of reliability and dependability if anyone asks me for a no hassle car that will just work I always suggest Kia. I cant see why anyone would laugh at you for suggesting a Kia as more reliable than a German car - it's almost certainly true.

Kia or Hyundai, right?

I think the issue is the discussion revolves around a subjective survey, that you can't see unless you take part, and apparently it weights opinion not just hard facts, which to me is utterly worthless. Also as I pointed out there seems to be something less than total clarity behind the financial relationships involved with the company who run the survey, about the brands involved.

What do you think of their surveys, do you think they should carry any real weight in a car buying decision, or a judgement on a brand overall?

 

[BobShark]

Everyone has their own tastes, but I love the interior of my Model 3. I am a minimalist

Love mine too. Takes a bit of adjusting to begin with but the interior of the model 3 is a lovely place to be. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that but looks lovely in blue from the outside too.

 

[bimbleuk]

Love mine too. Takes a bit of adjusting to begin with but the interior of the model 3 is a lovely place to be. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that but looks lovely in blue from the outside too.

Same here. Always wondered what all the buttons were for in the cars I owned previously. Loved the i3 interior except the row of programmable buttons I never even thought of using. Model 3 has basic controls for driving and everything else located on an easy to use touch screen. No clutter. Easy to keep clean.

 

[Simon]

But there are silly things, like you need to use the screen to open the glove box

 

[jpaul]

article that suggests, as much, - marmite, button absence, maybe the reason for tesla jd power results -

hearing his take on it all in this episode (starts at 6:20): https://youtu.be/EuG8mgdnshY

I know my parents would never support it.
maybe need to look at modern fighter jets/airliners(not mcas) to see what is effective for safe user interfaces.

 

[Freefaller]

I test drove a tesla p100d a few years back and was blown away by the acceleration. I did not like the interior or the user interface, I like tactile buttons - but I'm of the vintage where you had to twist a dial to tune your radio in the car (and usually shove a clothes hanger into the aerial socket! ).

I think the model x / model 3 are more refined (I've only sat in one not driven one), but I still don't like the fully touch screen interface. That said, you can't knock them for performance.

I am very tempted by getting a second car that is electric since we have space for one and potential charging points, the second car would just be a convenience thing as we hardly need to drive other than take the kids to school / shopping / going to local places. We do around 5k miles a year despite living in the countryside, so I don't think going fully electric makes much sense as we wouldn't really break even in terms of cost vs miles.

 

[Rroff]

It will probably help tidy up a lot of housing estates. A lot of people with allocated parking or off street parking / garage that is more than 4 steps from their front door often resort to parking on the road or pavement to save a few seconds walk. One of the estates in our village has loads of communal parking yet it sits at about 25% full while the roads are scattered with cars. A couple of roads up from me is cars scattered everywhere while the communal garages sit full of old junk and the obligatory half finished "green laning project" under a tarp. The bin men started a bit of a dirty protest and simply stopped collecting once the the bin wagon got as far as it could

There will be plenty of solutions for people long before the option to run an ICE is no longer viable. They just may not be as convenient or as cheap as pulling up outside your front door and hooking up to your domestic supply.

Conversation today reminded me of this post. One of the roads I drive a bit and some of our drivers at work do a lot has crazy parking on the street and is an absolute pain to drive along - according to one of my colleagues who lives nearby the worst 5 offenders have a garage and parking space at the end of their garden leading onto a lane that comes back to the main road but don't use them (Google maps tends to confirm that) parking outside their front door instead and every house along that stretch additionally has an allocated parking space in nearby, CCTV monitored, communal parking - he claims they are renting out those spaces instead of using them and parking on the street instead.

 

[BobShark]

But there are silly things, like you need to use the screen to open the glove box

And having to close the centre console front storage compartment lid slowly. That's the one that used to get me

 

[blun]

I would happily buy an EV but I would want a 350 to 400 mile range, not because I want to do that sort of mileage in one go once in a blue moon, but because I don’t have a drive way so would have to charge using public charge points. Having to charge it up once every 2 to 3 weeks is a manageable faff to my life, having to charge every week puts it into the too much hassle column

When it comes to not being able to charge at home:

One of the things with EVs is charging a bit more often than people are used to filling with petrol, but not needing to be present whilst charging. E.g. supermarket shop for 30 mins - add 50% charge on a 50kW rapid. Parked in the train station car park - add 80% charge on a 7kW charger etc.. Parked at work, charge every few days on a 7kw charger. I think covid has affected views on this as we're all so much more used to being at home / not leaving our cars parked for hours in car parks.

Once there is even more abundance of chargers around it'll become more a case of "there's a charger here but do I actually need to charge right now?". Or possibly "I'm parked somewhere with a cheap charger, might as well grab some charge here rather than somewhere more expensive later"

 

[Malevolence]

There are councils making headway, IIRC Oxford have had trials for a good while now, and the terraced parking solution they liked the best was the one below.

Allocated parking, and/or parking permits will become more normal outside of London if you have space outside of your own property to fit a vehicle of a reasonable size.

EDIT: Other solutions are listed/shown here that they have been trying.

But how does that work for those of us with a terraced house that opens straight onto the street, without that little walled off area? The council have already told me that we're not allowed to have a charge point installed on the wall, and even if I could I can't remember the last time I parked outside of my house so it would be useless.

 

[JBod]

do you have the last of the fremont built Model 3 or the China built version?

I am not sure how I tell, I live in Southern California so it seems unlikely mine is from China.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

But how does that work for those of us with a terraced house that opens straight onto the street, without that little walled off area? The council have already told me that we're not allowed to have a charge point installed on the wall, and even if I could I can't remember the last time I parked outside of my house so it would be useless.

It doesn’t which is why there isn’t one solution to fit everyone’s circumstances. There are 5 others listed in the link in the same post being trialed by that one council. Other solutions also exist.