EV general discussion

[Journey]

But how does that work for those of us with a terraced house that opens straight onto the street, without that little walled off area? The council have already told me that we're not allowed to have a charge point installed on the wall, and even if I could I can't remember the last time I parked outside of my house so it would be useless.

Yep, you may as well just give up, no point it all sounds far too hard. Probably should just bin all the people working in jobs trying to find solutions while we are it, get then back down the coal pits.

Alternatively, how about you write to your MP, and your local councillors asking what they are going to do to solve the problem? Will do a lot more than moaning on a forum about it.

 

[Simon]

You need companies to step up to install more chargers for on street parking. Not MPs or councils

 

[b0rn2sk8]

It’s not quite that simple. Councils own the pavements and ultimately need to sanction them. They have to green light or veto any installation. There needs to be some regulatory framework set up to manage monopolies popping up in local areas.

It’s not going to be viable (or really desirable) for there to be true competition in these posts and who ever gets there fist effectively takes that ground for the rest of time. No one wants multiple posts to chose from for the same parking space, that would be a right mess.

So yes, local and national governments are key to charge posts on public land, particularly residential streets.

 

[Bear]

There are councils making headway, IIRC Oxford have had trials for a good while now, and the terraced parking solution they liked the best was the one below.

Allocated parking, and/or parking permits will become more normal outside of London if you have space outside of your own property to fit a vehicle of a reasonable size.

EDIT: Other solutions are listed/shown here that they have been trying.

I was thinking about this, if enough people on your street adopted EVs and was allowed to fit the above solution, so long as they all put their chargers on zap map for people to use then it might not matter if you aren’t able to park outside your own house, just so long as you could use another on the street. I would be happy to pay the council like they do with dropped kerbs but to fit the above charging gulley and perhaps paint an EV bay on the road next to it

 

[Malevolence]

Alternatively, how about you write to your MP, and your local councillors asking what they are going to do to solve the problem? Will do a lot more than moaning on a forum about it.

Local MP doesn't give a **** about anything and you just get fobbed with generic replies that use a lot of words but say absolutely nothing. The council know there's a problem but are unable, or unwilling, to do anything about it. The old adage about a snowball in hell was referenced when speaking about the likelihood of me getting permission to install a charging point, despite the fact that I own the bloody house. It says a lot when there isn't a single public charge point with a mile of my house.

 

[lordrobs]

The council know there's a problem but are unable, or unwilling, to do anything about it. The old adage about a snowball in hell was referenced when speaking about the likelihood of me getting permission to install a charging point, despite the fact that I own the bloody house. It says a lot when there isn't a single public charge point with a mile of my house.

Is there a problem though? Are you and your neighbours actively looking to swap to EVs but are unable to?

Also when you are looking at rapid public charging does the distance from your home matter? I mean it is then comparable to me saying I can't own a petrol car because my nearest petrol station is 4 miles away.

 

[jpaul]

has anyone followed up, looked up what the conclusion on oxford trial was - it's resurfaced here multiple times ?

the new UK design challenge for public chargers ?,or, on the other hand- german solution / fraunhofer
too late for that kind of adaption

 

[Jonnycoupe]

I don’t even understand the context of your question nor the technology you are showing.

 

[Greebo]

I don’t even understand the context of your question nor the technology you are showing.

looks like super rapid chargers fitted into the ground and you just drive on, park for a few minutes and get 200 mile range and then pay at the kiosk or app.

If there are charging stations like this all over the country then nobody will have range concern or be bothered about how long they take to charge anymore.

 

[lordrobs]

has anyone followed up, looked up what the conclusion on oxford trial was - it's resurfaced here multiple times ?

the new UK design challenge for public chargers ?,or, on the other hand- german solution / fraunhofer
too late for that kind of adaption

The only viable use I can see for that is things like bus stops and Taxi ranks. Where you may be stopped at the same place multiple times a day, not really long enough to get out and plug in but regularly enough that you can get a few minutes of juice. But it seems like a massively expensive way of implementing it.

 

[BobShark]

Article in the bbc today on developing charging tech and the "death of the petrol station"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57416829

The on-road rapid charging tech has been touted for quite a while now. Great idea and likely to become reality I think but bit worried about battery development lagging behind. Consistent ultra-rapid charging would surely batter the daylights out of a battery relatively quickly.

 

[sovietspybob]

While those in ground chargers sound great and may well be put in for things like buses there's no getting away that an MCB in a waterproof housing and a couple of meters of cable with a plug on the end of it is orders of magnitude cheaper and will do for a huge number of people. You could probably install 50 7kw stand mounted chargers around a car park like Tesco, your gym or workplace instead of one of those in the ground job's.

 

[lordrobs]

Article in the bbc today on developing charging tech and the "death of the petrol station"

I wouldn't read too much into what Rowlatt has to say, he's just filling column inches (or is that measured in pixels these days?). His articles went from touting doom and gloom about how the UK must do better with EVs to saying how they will take over much quicker then we think in 13 days. Now 10 days later they aren't just going to take over sooner but they are going to wipe out a whole sector of retail and people with Petrol and Diesel cars will be hunting around for fuel in a scene that wouldn't look out of place in Mad Max. I look forward to next weeks article on how EVs will be the only mode of travel across the globe by 2027...

 

[Journey]

Article in the bbc today on developing charging tech and the "death of the petrol station"

Reminds me of the uneducated uproar people were making about unleaded petrol in the late 80's, they were more concerned with spending a few quid sorting their car out to accept it Vs. not killing as many people. Says a lot about the world, or the people in it.

Article here is related and somewhat funny to look back at.

 

[Greebo]

Reminds me of the uneducated uproar people were making about unleaded petrol in the late 80's, they were more concerned with spending a few quid sorting their car out to accept it Vs. not killing as many people. Says a lot about the world, or the people in it.

Article here is related and somewhat funny to look back at.

Same thing now with the new E10 fuel. Lots of doom and gloom about how much damage it will do older cars. I think i read in some tests somewhere it will take up to 25 years for the e20 fuel to eat through the pipes so people have 25 years to fix their cars.

 

[Simon]

Gives a hint that oil companies are part of the improvements rather than the enemy even back then.

“The oil industry has invested something like £400 million in making unleaded petrol available,”

 

[Simon]

Same thing now with the new E10 fuel. Lots of doom and gloom about how much damage it will do older cars. I think i read in some tests somewhere it will take up to 25 years for the e20 fuel to eat through the pipes so people have 25 years to fix their cars.

That’s not the only issue with higher ethanol though.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

looks like super rapid chargers fitted into the ground and you just drive on, park for a few minutes and get 200 mile range and then pay at the kiosk or app.

If there are charging stations like this all over the country then nobody will have range concern or be bothered about how long they take to charge anymore.

Looks like a flywheel storage system to manage the large energy without cables. Like a UPS. Petrol stations good locations as there already a massive void under the ground!

Bottleneck remains the car ability to absorbs energy into cells, anything above 500A is mental, so to boost to that power needs more volts from 800V. Once you breach 1000V that’s a whole new world for consumer good products so it won’t happen. Hence probably only appropriate for for commercial stuff with fully trained operators and service staff.

nothing wrong using similar for 50kW locations to turn them into 120kW without needing to upgrade the grid link cables I guess. But then that’s what the Freewire chargers BP have that do it with a battery as a boost device. In that install id much rather risk driving into a battery supplemented DC charger rather than a massive disc of energy spinning!

there you go, that’s why they haven’t been impemented yet.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Same thing now with the new E10 fuel. Lots of doom and gloom about how much damage it will do older cars. I think i read in some tests somewhere it will take up to 25 years for the e20 fuel to eat through the pipes so people have 25 years to fix their cars.

longer life than a fuel cell car storage tank Atleast

 

[Nasher]

Same thing now with the new E10 fuel. Lots of doom and gloom about how much damage it will do older cars. I think i read in some tests somewhere it will take up to 25 years for the e20 fuel to eat through the pipes so people have 25 years to fix their cars.

It doesnt keep very long either. For a car not used much you might end up having to drain and replace it (and what do you do with loads of expired petrol?). Lower mpg as well. Its a false green economy tbh.