EV general discussion

[b0rn2sk8]

Well the average cost per mile for running a car in the UK is 40p per mile. If you can "hire" a driverless car for 40p per mile or less then little point in owning your own car anymore.

Average cost is now £3000 per annum (mainly cause all the old bangers pulls down the average as depreciation is only £1104 per year - newer cars will be more than £1 per mile) . if you dont do many miles £3,000 pays for a lot of self drive "taxis". Newer cars will be closer to £10k per annum to run.

https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-cost-run-car-uk

And there’s the fundamental point that you’ve completely missed with your response. I said you also need to consider the non-economic reasonings why people do what they do and you countered that will a wholly economic argument which just doesn’t stack up in the real world.

If everyone only looked at the economic argument then your correct, no one would buy cars and public transport would be king but it just isn’t how peoples decision making works.

You also need to factor in the perceived benefit of owning your own vehicle, particularly if you can afford it, e.g. flexibility, piece of mind, not having to store car seats in your hall way and install them every time etc. Self driving cars may end up being cheaper but they are just objectively worse in every other metric.

For example, there’s only so many times where a person who can afford to own their own car is going put up with a driverless car turning up and it containing someone’s left over take away or bodily fluids before they think ‘**** it I’m just going to buy my own’.

Let’s be realistic, these cars will be unsupervised but that doesn’t mean people aren’t going to be people. There is a reason why regular taxis all have ‘leather’ seats and fully lined plastic mats and those are the ones that are supervised….

 

[Greebo]

And there’s the fundamental point that you’ve completely missed with your response. I said you also need to consider the non-economic reasonings why people do what they do and you countered that will a wholly economic argument which just doesn’t stack up in the real world.

If everyone only looked at the economic argument then your correct, no one would buy cars and public transport would be king but it just isn’t how peoples decision making works.

You also need to factor in the perceived benefit of owning your own vehicle, particularly if you can afford it, e.g. flexibility, piece of mind, not having to store car seats in your hall way and install them every time etc. Self driving cars may end up being cheaper but they are just objectively worse in every other metric.

For example, there’s only so many times where a person who can afford to own their own car is going put up with a driverless car turning up and it containing someone’s left over take away or bodily fluids before they think ‘**** it I’m just going to buy my own’.

Let’s be realistic, these cars will be unsupervised but that doesn’t mean people aren’t going to be people. There is a reason why regular taxis all have ‘leather’ seats and fully lined plastic mats and those are the ones that are supervised….

No I will agree with you there, it is the perceived freedom that will stop people changing but that tends to be the older generation.

There are already plans for their to be big car parks full of self drive cars all over the country that you just hire as and when you need them, More and more people arent even bothering learning to drive.

Only 3m of the 16 to 25 age group now hold driving licences compared with 3.42m in 2012 despite the number of young people increasing massively. Increases in the costs of owning and running a car has been a factor.

A Department for Transport survey in 2019 found that the most common reasons for 17 to 20-year-olds in England not trying to get on the road were the costs of learning to drive (41%), buying a car (31%) and insuring it (30%).

Fewer than one in five (19%) of respondents said they were not interested in driving, and 12% cited the availability of other forms of transport.

Like it or not the world is changing. Unlike me who couldnt wait to pass my test and get freedom at 17, youngsters of today arent bothered anymore. As Uber has taken off and public transport improved, the need has got less. Self drive cars will just speed up this trend.

Yes if you live in rural areas you will pretty much still need to own your own car but less so for other people.

And the old arent going to let go of their perceived freedom of owning their own car.

My parents are classic examples. they buy a new car every 3 years and do 3000 miles per annum and worse than that my dad insists on buying a diesel when the longest journey they ever do each year is 14 miles.

I have told them they would be better off getting a taxi every time but they say "what happens if they need the car in a hurry?"

 

[AndrewNR]

Collected my Taycan Turbo yesterday, so far done 3 full charges out and about and worked really well.

Gave me a excuse to stop and actually get the laptop out and not have the panic when I get home.

Think the "S" is the sweetspot, but if can get the Turbo then

 

[Regy53]

Just bought a new skoda enyaq for the mrs . Loft 60 with bags of extras . Real nice car and the first electric car for us. Probably buy a new etron from me Tomorrow

these are business purchases as there is far to much tax savings to turn down , quite excited

Year end Tommorow

 

[RoboCod]

Good choice, lovely car.

 

[Journey]

Probably buy a new etron from me Tomorrow

Q4 right, not the fat e-tron?

 

[Regy53]

Q4 right, not the fat e-tron?

no the fat one . I’m a little unsure still but I like it.

 

[Regy53]

Here she is then
Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr
Loft 60 100 kw
Convenience pack plus
Drive pack basic
Silver
Assisted drive plus
Light and view pack
Parking plus
Climate pack

With them packs it really has a lot going for it
while I wanted a suite spec to get the leather I couldn’t find one to get a invoice in June, this was sat in my local dealers showroom and tbh I actually quite like the interior , it’s a tad weird I suppose with the grey material but it feels nice. It’s for the Mrs and a surprise for tonight . I have really found I quite like silver cars recently. I like the contrast in the black lower trim on this

 

[RoboCod]

Is that a new car? Look at the crap in the footwell and all the dirty Scuffs around the seat and door trim! They better valet it well.

 

[Regy53]

It’s been the showroom car I can deal with that, be more Worried what the mrs does to the wheels in the first few days

I’m quite the car cleaning enthusiast, il sort it
Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

 

[AndrewNR]

Quite like the enyaq. A normal looking EV SUV for a change

 

[Journey]

It’s been the showroom car I can deal with that, be more Worried what the mrs does to the wheels in the first few days

I’m quite the car cleaning enthusiast, il sort it

Well you'll have a great deal less need for specialist wheel cleaners with BEV's, there is little to no rake dust build up.

no the fat one . I’m a little unsure still but I like it.

I think the Q4 is way better, the fat e-tron is on the old ICE MLB platform and is horribly inefficient, nice inside and very quiet, but it is huge and you don't actually get that much space due to the design, if you look at the Enyaq you'll see that it has more interior space, and is a much smaller car.

 

[jpaul]

I’m quite the car cleaning enthusiast, il sort it

Autobrite rep egh ... rotary(mark of a man) or DAS, though.

Nice - a few miles on a showroom ev, of negiligible concern versus many cold starts on an ICE though,
do you get any free miles through vag/pod-point, thinking of all these new Tesco/vw collaboration adds

 

[Journey]

do you get any free miles through vag/pod-point, thinking of all these new Tesco/vw collaboration adds

99% of them are free already regardless of the car.

 

[GinG]

Here she is then
Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr
Loft 60 100 kw
Convenience pack plus
Drive pack basic
Silver
Assisted drive plus
Light and view pack
Parking plus
Climate pack

With them packs it really has a lot going for it
while I wanted a suite spec to get the leather I couldn’t find one to get a invoice in June, this was sat in my local dealers showroom and tbh I actually quite like the interior , it’s a tad weird I suppose with the grey material but it feels nice. It’s for the Mrs and a surprise for tonight . I have really found I quite like silver cars recently. I like the contrast in the black lower trim on this

That's lovely.

I really wanted to get one of these but at the time it was £210 for the ID3 Vs £350 per month for this on the NHS lease.

Great looking cars and like you say a nice package at the right spec.

 

[jpaul]

when I had name checked tesco chargers it suggested just 7kw were free,
now looking at a map it doesn't seem to distinguish locations ones

 

[squerble]

Like it or not the world is changing. Unlike me who couldnt wait to pass my test and get freedom at 17, youngsters of today arent bothered anymore. As Uber has taken off and public transport improved, the need has got less. Self drive cars will just speed up this trend.

Yes if you live in rural areas you will pretty much still need to own your own car but less so for other people.

Don't the stats you've posted say the opposite though? <20% say not interested, 12% say other transport is fine, yet nearly 40% saying cost of learning is too prohibitive. It's not that they don't want the freedom, it's just too much of a cost these days.

 

[sovietspybob]

No I will agree with you there, it is the perceived freedom that will stop people changing but that tends to be the older generation.

There are already plans for their to be big car parks full of self drive cars all over the country that you just hire as and when you need them, More and more people arent even bothering learning to drive.

Only 3m of the 16 to 25 age group now hold driving licences compared with 3.42m in 2012 despite the number of young people increasing massively. Increases in the costs of owning and running a car has been a factor.



Like it or not the world is changing. Unlike me who couldnt wait to pass my test and get freedom at 17, youngsters of today arent bothered anymore. As Uber has taken off and public transport improved, the need has got less. Self drive cars will just speed up this trend.

Yes if you live in rural areas you will pretty much still need to own your own car but less so for other people.

And the old arent going to let go of their perceived freedom of owning their own car.

My parents are classic examples. they buy a new car every 3 years and do 3000 miles per annum and worse than that my dad insists on buying a diesel when the longest journey they ever do each year is 14 miles.

I have told them they would be better off getting a taxi every time but they say "what happens if they need the car in a hurry?"

It'll be interesting how it plays out, for the people who live in cities and built up areas i can see robo taxies being a thing for sure, but like Jez i live out in the sticks down narrow single track roads with lots of overgrown hedging and i think it'll be quite a while until any kind of self driving car could navigate to my house, even my driveway would confuse most i think as it's a shared access gravel road with no markings at all and no clearly defined edges.

Then there's the issue if you've got kids. I would pay good money to not have to store the child seat in the house and lug it 100m to my driveway and faff around plugging it in before we could go anywhere especially if it was raining or dark and cold, In fact my wife just physically couldn't do this. Then there's all the other stuff you tend to keep in the car especially with kids. We always have quite a bit of my daughters stuff in the car, wellies, bucket and spade, spare hoodie, wipes etc etc etc which would be a huge hassle to bring with you separately each time you wanted to pop out.

So yeah young people are probably happy with uber but once they grow up and have families i can see the allure of having their own vehicle being a lot greater if they don't happen to live in a built up area, in which case public transport would probably be an option anyway.

 

[Greebo]

Don't the stats you've posted say the opposite though? <20% say not interested, 12% say other transport is fine, yet nearly 40% saying cost of learning is too prohibitive. It's not that they don't want the freedom, it's just too much of a cost these days.

Doesnt matter why they dont learn tbh honest., If the total cost of learning to drive, buying a car and insuring it is too great then they wont. Thats not going to change, its just going to get more and more expensive.

If there are more and more viable and cheaper alternatives then that will become more of an issue.

And dont forget there are still plans for in the future for people to be charged per mile instead of vehicle duty/fuel duty and you will get charged more for peak periods etc.

Then through in that it wont be very long before every new car will stick to the speed limit everywhere and cars will become very dull to drive anyway.

Already now with my main car I find i just tend to put the smart ACC on and travel to work relaxed. Would be even happier if all the steering was done for me as well.

 

[Obliter8]

It's not so much the robotaxi thing, as I agree that's aeons off. But...true self-driving on the motorway doesn't feel so far off. Past a certain point, that's going to need a minimum/no human drivers to be all unpredicatable and have crap reactions. I do wonder how that will work.