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They have only been around since 2010 and 2012. Most modern cars that old/young still look new if they are looked after. Give them another 10 years of use then we'll see.
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How bothered are we about reliability at 15 years though?
For many people, quite a lot since there are still a lot of cars that old on the road. It's also not exactly eco friendly if they don't last that long.
will the demand for old batteries remain .. with new systems for storing potential energy from day time solar production eg lift shafts ?
tesla currently has niche good residuals, versus leaf ? , and *if* you bought a new competitor 1/3 cheaper @10k/pa
... but the more miles in electric and you may need to recharge during day.
will be interesting how the id3 shakes up market, and residuals. (site has a bug, so added 4p for tesla electric)
tesla currently has niche good residuals, versus leaf ? , and *if* you bought a new competitor 1/3 cheaper @10k/pa
... but the more miles in electric and you may need to recharge during day.
will be interesting how the id3 shakes up market, and residuals. (site has a bug, so added 4p for tesla electric)
Virtually zero new car buyer cares about that and neither does the manufacturer. 15 year old cars are more often than not run on pattern parts outside the network.
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you are confusing batteries as a single object. They can easily be taken to module format which gives you 48 pieces from a Nissan Leaf! Car batteries when tired struggle to manage the high power demand and regen currents. That’s no problem for grid storage though.
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Anyone got an EV but no driveway? Can usually get parked near if not directly outside but it's obviously a concern.
What cabling etc would I need to run it over the pavement? Seen a few people doing this for charging mobility lifts in normal cars but don't know if I'd need anything special?
What cabling etc would I need to run it over the pavement? Seen a few people doing this for charging mobility lifts in normal cars but don't know if I'd need anything special?
Yet you can buy brand new parts for many old cars (way older than 15 years) straight from the manufacturer.
If we knew EVs were only going to last 10-15 years dealers would be screwed. It would kill the used car market and we'd probably never convince people to ditch petrol.
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Dealers are going to be screwed if they start lasting any longer than a typical car anyway, the model of repeat higher value services that keeps the dealerships ticking over after a sale is made is about to be disrupted hugely.
Which likely costs them as much as they make from doing it.
Of all the issues with EV the fact you may not be able to buy a 1500 quid banger ev doesn't feel like the biggest issue.
Why would they be screwed? What you have written isn't a response to @[TW]Fox said at all.
Hardly any new car buyers care about if the car will be around in 15 years time or not. Most cars are worth around 10% of their original value after 10 years, after 15 its basically scrap value. It's basically just throw away money compared to its cost new.
Lets also face it, cars that are 10 - 15 years old cars are just ran until they break and then they are dismantled/scrapped. Very few have any amount of money actually spent on them ever. Even something consumable like a clutch on a isn't getting replaced on a tatty 15 year old diesel Focus on >120k miles that's worth a few hundred £, especially if you have to pay someone to do it for you.
We are not talking rare/special cars here, we are talking run of the mill every day cars. There is a reason why out of warranty 10 year old BMW's are referred to as money pits....
Exactly this, some dealers will be screwed because they just don't break but that's a good thing.... The guy who runs Fully Charged just sold his first off the line from Japan Nissan Leaf. I don't remember how many miles it had done but it was high for its age. He only ever bothered to 'service' it twice. The only things he had to replace were the wipers and tyres since he had it from new, that's what 8 or so years?
Hardly any new car buyers care about if the car will be around in 15 years time or not. Most cars are worth around 10% of their original value after 10 years, after 15 its basically scrap value. It's basically just throw away money compared to its cost new.
Lets also face it, cars that are 10 - 15 years old cars are just ran until they break and then they are dismantled/scrapped. Very few have any amount of money actually spent on them ever. Even something consumable like a clutch on a isn't getting replaced on a tatty 15 year old diesel Focus on >120k miles that's worth a few hundred £, especially if you have to pay someone to do it for you.
We are not talking rare/special cars here, we are talking run of the mill every day cars. There is a reason why out of warranty 10 year old BMW's are referred to as money pits....
Exactly this, some dealers will be screwed because they just don't break but that's a good thing.... The guy who runs Fully Charged just sold his first off the line from Japan Nissan Leaf. I don't remember how many miles it had done but it was high for its age. He only ever bothered to 'service' it twice. The only things he had to replace were the wipers and tyres since he had it from new, that's what 8 or so years?
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Yeah that’s Robert Llewelyn (Kryton) now his has a Model 3. Also fast charged it very often at the start. The guy who does the myEV news podcast (who’s starting to grate on me) sold his Zoe for what he paid 18months later now the EV second hand market is growing in confidence and knowledge.
Anyone got any idea how much a new gearbox, and clutch is for an EV? Also how often do I need to check the DPF, and CC, and make sure the exhaust hasn't fallen off or got a hole in it?
Obviously you are joking but these last few comments about residual value are a very real thing and I know I read an article about Nissan being very aware of the is fact.
Nissan quoting Battery life lasting over 20 years on vehicles that in effect are much much simpler than ICE equivalents mechanically might very well mean that 10 year old vehicles simply do not have anywhere near the negative connotations we
currently have with a 10 year old 100,000 mile ICE.
After all many of us get rid of an old car because of fears over reliability and not just because we want a different one.
If all of a sudden 10 year old vehicles perform almost as reliably as new, will we see a massive slow down in buying new ?
Manufacturers would say that, they would say that no matter what. But we just don't know for sure yet.
It's inevitability that they will need replacing, it's just a matter of how long before the huge bill strikes. Would you feel financially safe buying a 10 year old Tesla with 100k miles on it?
It's inevitability that they will need replacing, it's just a matter of how long before the huge bill strikes. Would you feel financially safe buying a 10 year old Tesla with 100k miles on it?
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To clarify my stance on full EV - I will go fully EV as soon as:
a) BMW release a fully EV 5 Series
b) It has a 300-400 mile range
c) I can afford it, ie, has the same pricepoint as the ICE versions do currently and similar depreciation profiles.
I have absolutely no aversion to the tech at all. Infact, I want one - just not made by Tesla thanks. I basically want what I have now - but EV. Offering the same level of performance, quality, etc.
a) BMW release a fully EV 5 Series
b) It has a 300-400 mile range
c) I can afford it, ie, has the same pricepoint as the ICE versions do currently and similar depreciation profiles.
I have absolutely no aversion to the tech at all. Infact, I want one - just not made by Tesla thanks. I basically want what I have now - but EV. Offering the same level of performance, quality, etc.
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How long do you think that is Nasher?