EV general discussion

[EddScott]

More counter to Rowan Atkinson's "electrics are generally bad, how about efuels" opinion piece.

Is there a female alternative to Mansplaining?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Spoiler

As EV owners, how do you feel about the general reliability of your car but in relation to extending the warranty? Would you feel more or less inclined to add an extended warranty as you might an ICE?

The manufacturers warranty on my i3 is just about to end. While I really like it so am keeping it beyond three years manufacturers warranty term, I have made one reasonable expensive claim already and there are two possible issues to be fixed before the warranty ends. However, I think none of these problems are EV specific but one could be which is a noisy AC compressor which might be related to the battery cooling as I believe it does both (cabin, battery cooling), but might be normal according to some so that is yet to be determined if it is indeed an issue.

I don't usually take extended warranties but I'm not feeling confident at the moment that I'll likely save money over the long run without one in this case. While some say there's less moving parts to go wrong, which I understand, the moving parts of ICE's have been refined/improved over decades. EV's are relatively new and there are some parts that will cost many thousands to replace if they fail (possible charging related components, battery, motor).

Interested in what others think. Most are probably leased these days i suppose but would you risk it without an extended warranty as I would usually do or feel it's more of a necessity for EV's? Mine doesn't cover many miles so it's a bit annoying it's had these issues already tbh but on the other hand, could be trouble free for years in future.

No one can really answer this question, it’s really down to what your appetite for risk is. At the end of the day, they are insurance products and pay out less than customers are paying in. The house always wins.

Fundamentally, outside of the battery, motor, the high voltage ancillaries and their control systems, it’s still the same as an ICE car.

There are so many parts which are either fundamental or are MOT fails on modern cars (ignoring the core drivetrain) that cost £lol if you replace them with new ones:
Infotainment screen £lol
Standard LED headlight £lol
Adaptive matrix headlight £megaLOL
Plethora of electronics modules to control all the various safety systems that simply didn’t exist on older cars but will fail an MOT if they don’t function.

This is not really an EV thing and very much a modern car thing. We will see people economically write off cars because the fancy adaptive headlight stopped working in the future. It sounds crazy but it’s going to be a reality.

 

[gazref]

As EV owners, how do you feel about the general reliability of your car but in relation to extending the warranty? Would you feel more or less inclined to add an extended warranty as you might an ICE?

The manufacturers warranty on my i3 is just about to end. While I really like it so am keeping it beyond three years manufacturers warranty term, I have made one reasonable expensive claim already and there are two possible issues to be fixed before the warranty ends. However, I think none of these problems are EV specific but one could be which is a noisy AC compressor which might be related to the battery cooling as I believe it does both (cabin, battery cooling), but might be normal according to some so that is yet to be determined if it is indeed an issue.

I don't usually take extended warranties but I'm not feeling confident at the moment that I'll likely save money over the long run without one in this case. While some say there's less moving parts to go wrong, which I understand, the moving parts of ICE's have been refined/improved over decades. EV's are relatively new and there are some parts that will cost many thousands to replace if they fail (possible charging related components, battery, motor).

Interested in what others think. Most are probably leased these days i suppose but would you risk it without an extended warranty as I would usually do or feel it's more of a necessity for EV's? Mine doesn't cover many miles so it's a bit annoying it's had these issues already tbh but on the other hand, could be trouble free for years in future.

You don't need an extended warranty. Nothing on them breaks, there's nothing to break. If the battery is going to fail it'll fail in warranty. Save your money imo.

 

[Nasher]

No one can really answer this question, it’s really down to what your appetite for risk is. At the end of the day, they are insurance products and pay out less than customers are paying in. The house always wins.

Fundamentally, outside of the battery, motor, the high voltage ancillaries and their control systems, it’s still the same as an ICE car.

There are so many parts which are either fundamental or are MOT fails on modern cars (ignoring the core drivetrain) that cost £lol if you replace them with new ones:
Infotainment screen £lol
Standard LED headlight £lol
Adaptive matrix headlight £megaLOL
Plethora of electronics modules to control all the various safety systems that simply didn’t exist on older cars but will fail an MOT if they don’t function.

This is not really an EV thing and very much a modern car thing. We will see people economically write off cars because the fancy adaptive headlight stopped working in the future. It sounds crazy but it’s going to be a reality.

The engine in modern cars is probably the least of the worries tbh

Computer are simple things, right? They can't possibly go wrong...

A big advantage of running an old car is you don't have to worry about one of a million sensors causing an MOT issue. The computer just controls combustion (and not vents or door locks), a swappable bulb goes inside a lamp.

 

[[TW]Fox]

A big advantage of running an old car is you don't have to worry about one of a million sensors causing an MOT issue. The computer just controls combustion

If the car is 40 years old, sure.

 

[jpaul]

The manufacturers warranty on my i3 is just about to end. While I really like it so am keeping it beyond three years manufacturers warranty term, I have made one reasonable expensive claim already and there are two possible issues to be fixed before the warranty ends. However, I think none of these problems are EV specific but one could be which is a noisy AC compressor which might be related to the battery cooling as I believe it does both (cabin, battery cooling), but might be normal according to some so that is yet to be determined if it is indeed an issue.

It's too new to have the range extender engine - those had issues - I thought - was it a weird Italian/EEuropean engine seizing 3k repair.

Is there a female alternative to Mansplaining?

some more credible discussion on ev's by the ford boss - Ford vertical integration happily in agreement with Biden's subsidies will reduce prevalent ev software support problems - apparently,
ford surprise at the lightening success because buyers wanted V2L(home power cut) interesting though, maybe that functionality will be compelling for european ev market.

 

[drew]

I took a Polestar 2 DM out at the weekend, scared the living daylights out of me, just not used to the power delivery. Wasn't a fan of the way it crashed over bumps either.

Felt like a hooligans car.

 

[G-Man]

Yeah, it's pretty decent. I think it feels faster than it is because of the power delivery, but in that sense it does easily push you back into the seat. Got the "MAXX PACK OMG!!!" as it included every possible extra. Umbrella in the door and ice scraper in the boot. Pretty pleased with it. Yes, this is the Coupe version:

Is that a dent at the bottom of the rear door already or just weirdness with the picture?

 

[bimbleuk]

Is that a dent at the bottom of the rear door already or just weirdness with the picture?

I think there may be a black triangular strip there which is partially obscured by an overhang.

 

[Nasher]

It's too new to have the range extender engine - those had issues - I thought - was it a weird Italian/EEuropean engine seizing 3k repair.

I think they were seizing up due to lack of use and people were skipping services. There are years to avoid with the i3 from what I remember. A few batches seem to be more problematic.

 

[chanjy]

Was just browsing autotrader over breakfast this morning after seeing an article in the news.

LR Ioniq 5s Ultimates for just over £30k now
Extended range Mach-E £35k ish
Enyaq 80s for just over £30k too

Good time to be in the market for a second hand EV tbh

 

[Greebo]

It’s clear that hydrogen and synthetic fuels will be more expensive, than just sending the power into a battery vehicle, because they use significantly more energy to get that fuel. In the case of hydrogen it’s between 5-7x more energy, then you have transport, storage and ‘people managed’ pump station costs.

For sure, they will be another option, but more expensive and less environmentally friendly.

This. I got an email last night saying that I could now buy synthetic 80% less carbon petrol for my classic car.....................at £3.80 per litre!!!!!!!!

I know the price "should" come down but doubt it will ever drop to oil based petrol prices.

 

[SDK^]

This. I got an email last night saying that I could now buy synthetic 80% less carbon petrol for my classic car.....................at £3.80 per litre!!!!!!!!

I know the price "should" come down but doubt it will ever drop to oil based petrol prices.

That's Bio fuel, which is different to synthetic fuel.
This Pistonheads article summaries the fuel you were offered - the £3.80 per litre stuff contains just 25% renewable content.

Coryton launches first classic car biofuel

Three levels of plant-based petrol available now, priced from £3.80 a litre

www.pistonheads.com

 

[[TW]Fox]

Was just browsing autotrader over breakfast this morning after seeing an article in the news.

LR Ioniq 5s Ultimates for just over £30k now
Extended range Mach-E £35k ish
Enyaq 80s for just over £30k too

Good time to be in the market for a second hand EV tbh

Mini Electric under £20k now as well - I know lots of people don't like these but for a town car they are really good. If I needed to replace our Mini it's where I'd go.

 

[chanjy]

Mini Electric under £20k now as well - I know lots of people don't like these but for a town car they are really good. If I needed to replace our Mini it's where I'd go.

If we didn't want 5 doors to make getting kids in and out of car seats a hell of a lot easier, we'd probably already have one

 

[fullspizz]

My ID4 delivery has been brought forwards now to start of October, was originally Mid-December

 

[gazref]

Nice enjoy. If your charge point is installed you'll probably be able to work out expected kWh usage and shop around for the best tariff over the next few months

 

[Nathan]

ID4 has arrived. Pretty chuffed with it to be honest so far

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Mini Electric under £20k now as well - I know lots of people don't like these but for a town car they are really good. If I needed to replace our Mini it's where I'd go.

That is a lot of dollar for a city car with poor range tho tbf. You've gotta really want a Mini at those economics.

 

[steve5424]

At least next year's refresh of the Mini. Set to be called Cooper S will have a claimed range of up to 240 miles on a 40kwh battery with same bhp as current electric Mini with an SE to follow later with up to 300 miles with a 52kwh battery and 215bhp.