EV general discussion

Tesla is a nice newbuild i think, clean, open space. Doesn't have the charm of an older house with 'legacy' features such as fireplaces or sash windows but seems with EV everyone is obsessing with the EPC rating and not the character of the vehicles. Just need to manage expectations. I also am sure the Tesla 'consumption' is somewhat fudged compared to how other cars display raw energy use.
 
Bug One said:
My main worry with the Q8 is the efficiency. Considering I'm just under 4m/kwh lifetime efficiency in the Nissan - getting nearer to 2.5 in the Audi is going to be a bit depressing. Plus it'll be the wife mostly driving it - and she's got no idea how to drive an EV efficiently.
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That's the main issue with the Q8. How did Audi increase the range over the previous fat etron? Whack in a massive battery but still get max 2.5 miles per Kw. It would have been good to have them work on the efficiency rather then just use up more raw materials in a massively inefficient car.
 
if you are on ~10p unit octopus/eon electricity, it's not a big careabout; still bik payment on 70K is a more painful than an ID4 that might scrape in under £40K
 
gailjon said:
That's the main issue with the Q8. How did Audi increase the range over the previous fat etron? Whack in a massive battery but still get max 2.5 miles per Kw. It would have been good to have them work on the efficiency rather then just use up more raw materials in a massively inefficient car.
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They did though, slighlty better Cd and the revised rear motor aswell. From memory its something like 14 turns on the stator rather than 12 to improve efficiency by lifting torque output.
 
chanjy said:
Huh, just use contactless. The £15 hold will be refunded later anyway so don't worry about that.

Why are you faffing with apps at Instavolt etc. Surprised it didn't work either but with all you described not working reckon it's a setting on the car that's the issue like timed charging or something.
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I need a receipt, which is only available through the app
 
Jonnycoupe said:
I like the RFID car with InstaVolt. Starts charging in seconds, plus I like collecting points. Ha
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Is that the chargepoint one? Chap at the next charger over had one of those.

I was also looking at Powerpass which are Skoda approved, but their list of adopted chargers seems limited (ie, there are loads of chargers in a given area, but only a handful appear on the Powerpass app).
 
gailjon said:
That's the main issue with the Q8. How did Audi increase the range over the previous fat etron? Whack in a massive battery but still get max 2.5 miles per Kw. It would have been good to have them work on the efficiency rather then just use up more raw materials in a massively inefficient car.
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yay! so i dont have the most inefficient EV on the market then....... i am averaging about 2.8 in mine ;)
 
bigmike20vt said:
yay! so i dont have the most inefficient EV on the market then....... i am averaging about 2.8 in mine ;)
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If you mean the I-Pace then the new Q8 E-Tron matches the I-Pace efficiency with a bigger battery. So it will go further than an I-Pace. 2.5 average over a full year is the old E-Tron, the new one is about 2.8.

I have an I-Pace and have averaged about 2.9 mi/kWh over a year and am currently getting 3.2. So not an efficient EV but efficiency is not one of my main considerations.
 
ICDP said:
If you mean the I-Pace then the new Q8 E-Tron matches the I-Pace efficiency with a bigger battery. So it will go further than an I-Pace. 2.5 average over a full year is the old E-Tron, the new one is about 2.8.

I have an I-Pace and have averaged about 2.9 mi/kWh over a year and am currently getting 3.2. So not an efficient EV but efficiency is not one of my main considerations.
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to be honest it was tongue in cheek.......... I went in eyes wide open. (that said really one would think it would have improved over the revisions but unfortunately it seems the new 2023 model is pretty much exactly the same.
 
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I often worry about the efficiency of my M3 too

I do wonder why all of a sudden efficiency is so important with EV and everything else is ignored
 
Simon said:
I often worry about the efficiency of my M3 too

I do wonder why all of a sudden efficiency is so important with EV and everything else is ignored
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I’d have thought it’s pretty obvious why people bang on about efficiency.

Batteries are expensive, big, heavy and don’t have the energy density of fossil fuels. Dwell time at chargers and the cost of electricity also has an impact.

A more efficient car means you get get more range out of the battery or you can build a cheaper, better handling car with the same range. Small battery also enables the car to have more interior space (see poor rear footwell depths on many EVs).

More efficient cars rapid charge ‘faster’ in that they get more miles of range back for time time plugged in which is the key metric for rapid charging along side cost.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
I've got Chargepoint on my apple wallet but the Instavolt is a specific to instavolt.
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But when I used my contactless card, it was billed as Chargepoint, and the BT van charging next to me swiped his chargepoint card :confused: It's this kind of confusion that makes the initial entry into the public charging network difficult, IMO. Once you've got a system/routine that works, then you're pretty much there.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I’d have thought it’s pretty obvious why people bang on about efficiency.

Batteries are expensive, big, heavy and don’t have the energy density of fossil fuels. Dwell time at chargers and the cost of electricity also has an impact.

A more efficient car means you get get more range out of the battery or you can build a cheaper, better handling car with the same range. Small battery also enables the car to have more interior space (see poor rear footwell depths on many EVs).

More efficient cars rapid charge ‘faster’ in that they get more miles of range back for time time plugged in which is the key metric for rapid charging along side cost.
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Maybe until they get an EV and realise it doesn't matter... its a world of 3Dmark numbers or whatever it is when no one every uses it for games. Especially when you don't have a 'special' one that likes to dump charge overnight.
Cheaper better handling don't fit together in my book, once you have cheapened car to McPherson front struts for example the attribute start to decline. Cheaper means move to LFP with the hit to gravimetric efficiency too.
 
Django x2 said:
But when I used my contactless card, it was billed as Chargepoint, and the BT van charging next to me swiped his chargepoint card :confused: It's this kind of confusion that makes the initial entry into the public charging network difficult, IMO. Once you've got a system/routine that works, then you're pretty much there.
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Interesting, the original 50kW units are -ChargePoin+ units but 125kW newer items are BYD. Doesnt seem to be a link between the companies.

InstaVolt: means InstaVolt Limited, a company incorporated and registered in England and Wales with company number 10484882 whose registered office is at 6 Cedarwood, Crockford Lane, Chineham Park, Hampshire, RG24 8WD;
 
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