Got my Born stuck on a farm track (lol). Turns out there's absolutely nothing to attach to on the rear of the vehicle. It could only go backwards and if we'd used front hook and run a line it would have had the bumper off. Thankfully the luggage points in the boot seemed quite sturdy so we used 4 of them...
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After posting the other day about my MG4 getting semi-reasonable efficiency I decided to pay a bit more attention today...
Drive to golf, ~36 miles. In the morning it was kinda chilly, car said 9c about mid-way, I was trying hard to get decent efficiency and managed a mediocre 3.4 m/kWh but I was definitely trying. Way home just now and car reckons it was 15c outside, not being crazy but also not really trying too hard for efficiency and got 4.3m/kWh. Kinda crazy how much temperature matters
Drive to golf, ~36 miles. In the morning it was kinda chilly, car said 9c about mid-way, I was trying hard to get decent efficiency and managed a mediocre 3.4 m/kWh but I was definitely trying. Way home just now and car reckons it was 15c outside, not being crazy but also not really trying too hard for efficiency and got 4.3m/kWh. Kinda crazy how much temperature matters
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wow that is a big difference. are you sure your golf club is not at the top of a massive hill? 
Yep, the ID.3 is similar, but remember that 9C might be enough to kick in some early battery heating when you first set off, so will drag any average down if doing shorter journeys.After posting the other day about my MG4 getting semi-reasonable efficiency I decided to pay a bit more attention today...
Drive to golf, ~36 miles. In the morning it was kinda chilly, car said 9c about mid-way, I was trying hard to get decent efficiency and managed a mediocre 3.4 m/kWh but I was definitely trying. Way home just now and car reckons it was 15c outside, not being crazy but also not really trying too hard for efficiency and got 4.3m/kWh. Kinda crazy how much temperature matters
I think winter range degradation is a genuine 'concern' when buying an EV.. our ID.3 will happily do 220-240 real world range about 12C of normal driving, in summer months, 240+ is achievable easily, maybe 200-210 of pure motorway, but winter time, it struggles to get 150 motorway miles or about 170 general driving which is enough to mean extra public charging which is annoying.
In other news, I had a 300 miile trip required on Saturday to go and look at as many 'weekend toy' cars as I could, so borrowed a pool car (2023 Audi 2.0 tdi) and in true sensationalistic journalist experience, first it was the £70 to top it up, then just after I set off it was asking for me to add 1L of engine oil (£16.49), and after that I'm on the motorway and it's asking at the next fill up to top up the Adblue with at least 6L of that, which was £14.. I did LOL, the perfect trifecta of ICE..
On the plus side, it highlights the convenience factor.. no checking your favourite EV charging map software to plan for charging along your route.. just jump in, fill up and head off, knowing you can just pop in any local garage for fuel.. Definitely less stress!
I think it cemented that a good compromise is a Tesla.. the super charger network and great range from their LR models is probably the most convenient EV experience you can have when out/about.. I need to get one ordered on the Salary Sacrifice Scheme..
Could get an obd dongle and carscanner to record some additional stats on battery temps, like - what if I start garaging it.
( Maybe VW decided id7 was too expensive - german id7 leasing reductions https://youtu.be/DO3iDibju-U?t=195 ,
or - need to get orders in for initial capacity, better residuals anticipated, playing long game to ensure 2nd hand examples in dealers)
( Maybe VW decided id7 was too expensive - german id7 leasing reductions https://youtu.be/DO3iDibju-U?t=195 ,
or - need to get orders in for initial capacity, better residuals anticipated, playing long game to ensure 2nd hand examples in dealers)
I bet it took longer to top up your oil, ad blue and fuel than a charge on your ev.
Not to mention cheaper.
It’s the cabin heating as much as anything and tbh ambient is all you need for battery temps vs range impact. MEB doesn’t battery heat until 0C since 3.0 update. Was below 11C before which was killing range on short trips
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It just seems ridiculous for it to increase by 4 fold though? The cheapest I could get it was to around 3.8k
Anyone here own or long term driven the MG ZS EV?
Like lots of employers mine is doing the Octopus EV Salary Sacrifice scheme, the MG ZS looks like a really good deal.
I am going to book a test drive, but would be interested in the opinion of someone that already owns one!
Like lots of employers mine is doing the Octopus EV Salary Sacrifice scheme, the MG ZS looks like a really good deal.
I am going to book a test drive, but would be interested in the opinion of someone that already owns one!
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when i got my ipace i was advised that in winter it is far better to use the heated seats and if you have it heated steering wheel to keep yourself warm and only warm the cabin to as minimal a temp as possible. i havent had a winter with my car yet but it is what i plan to do..... unless my lad is in the car and then i wont have much choice.
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If you are charging properly (cheaper night rate or w/e) then best to just use the car as intended and comfortable. No way I am driving a 70k car without the heating on during winter lol.
Loving my e2008 again this winter - the preconditioning seems to be pretty robust. Car is nice and toasty by 0745 when I take the little one out.
Loving my e2008 again this winter - the preconditioning seems to be pretty robust. Car is nice and toasty by 0745 when I take the little one out.
If/when we go EV the heating will most definitely be on when needed. I see plenty of EV drivers wearing coats and hats in their cars. I certainly don't intend to be one of them.
Off to test drive an Enyaq this morning, it will be my first full EV experience.
Off to test drive an Enyaq this morning, it will be my first full EV experience.
Yeah that advice dates from when EVs only had 100 miles or less of range and were more basic so no heat pumps etc.
Still holds true but you can also pre-heat or defrost using a cheap tariff these days which reduces the initial hit on range.
Over 4 years my Model 3 SR+ has averaged 271 wh/m or 3.8 mi/kwh and that's a winter bias as I cycle a lot over summer.
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well yeah i aint gonna sit in the cold either, but i think the point is, with those 2 things on you do not need to heat the whole car to be comfy............ that said in general i will too, i should have elaborated.......... i do 1 really long journey now and then, and i suspect its right on the edge of being able to do it in 1 go in my car on a cold day in winter (197 miles door to door). i would rather not be forced to stop and in that instance, by my reckoning (and i havent tried it yet) it could be that how i use the heater in the car could be the difference between making it in 1 go and having to charge.
even then in reality its not a big deal............ but more its the challenge i have set myself to not HAVE to charge to make the journey (i admit i am a little odd, possibly somewhere on "the scale")
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If you leave the car plugged in, can the car precondition the battery on mains [if economically it makes sense to]? I believe the e2008 if plugged in will use the mains to power the blowers etc.
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yep.... its not something i have tried yet (not needed to) however the option is there and i will try it for sure before a longer road trip now the weather is going down hill somewhat.
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Its far better to use the car as intended and keep you warm, people who say stuff like that havent got a scooby do, just reciting obvious stuff. The battery heating system trying to heat planet earth is a far bigger load than warming the cabin so dont worry about suffering - especially as you have a heat pump to scavange heat, heaters just create it.
You'll want to be plugged in 4 hours before your set departure time to get the full pre-conditioning (ie battery and cabin)
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I have a genuine question, and no shame in it if it has happened (cards on table, i ran out of petrol once, it was fully my fault and i knew i was pushing it too far).
despite all the range FUD in the gutter press leading to anxiety (and my wife now still worries about our car despite it beating all range targets that i had in my head so far)
has anyone here run out of electrictiy to a point of being stranded? because i know a few with EVs, inc really low range ones........ and i only know of one person who ran out of charge (that was a small battery leaf and it was totally her fault, she chose not to charge the car because she wanted to wait for a cheap charging on electricity and then went out in the car despite it being on single digit miles range showing.)
OTOH I know a number of people (myself included) who has run out of petrol.
My point is.... range anxiety IS a thing but in reality, i think its much harder to run out of charge in an EV than it is to run out of petrol.
Also hand on heart if i had a knock at the door now and someone said they were really sorry but their car was out of charge and was in limp mode please would i hook up to my chargepoint for a few hrs and they offered me a 5er for instance.
I would absolutely have no problem doing it so long as i was home and my car was not charging (and they could go over the road to the cafe and have a coffee), and i dare say many of us ev owners are the same. (in truth it would be unlikely to happen - there are 4 BP pulse charge points 50m from my house).....
but my point is, i think it is unlikely an EV driver would ever be in a position to be completely stuck, and even IF they were am sure people would help out.....
despite all the range FUD in the gutter press leading to anxiety (and my wife now still worries about our car despite it beating all range targets that i had in my head so far)
has anyone here run out of electrictiy to a point of being stranded? because i know a few with EVs, inc really low range ones........ and i only know of one person who ran out of charge (that was a small battery leaf and it was totally her fault, she chose not to charge the car because she wanted to wait for a cheap charging on electricity and then went out in the car despite it being on single digit miles range showing.)
OTOH I know a number of people (myself included) who has run out of petrol.
My point is.... range anxiety IS a thing but in reality, i think its much harder to run out of charge in an EV than it is to run out of petrol.
Also hand on heart if i had a knock at the door now and someone said they were really sorry but their car was out of charge and was in limp mode please would i hook up to my chargepoint for a few hrs and they offered me a 5er for instance.
I would absolutely have no problem doing it so long as i was home and my car was not charging (and they could go over the road to the cafe and have a coffee), and i dare say many of us ev owners are the same. (in truth it would be unlikely to happen - there are 4 BP pulse charge points 50m from my house).....
but my point is, i think it is unlikely an EV driver would ever be in a position to be completely stuck, and even IF they were am sure people would help out.....
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