EV general discussion

Nasher said:
They aren't light :/

LightER than they would be being steel. Another issue with alu is galvanic corrosion if it's close to steel parts. That isn't something most will fix. Often suspension parts will be steel and the chassis alu, so that's an area to watch.
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Teslas are relatively light and don’t use carbon. Can you read

Rubber keeps suspension away from the body too
 
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jpaul said:
agree it's the gigapress chassis elements on tesla, and soon, vw, that have this reputation ...
but, the teslas are real light, maybe helped by that, so they have potential for better handling - can't have your cake....
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Gigapress doesn’t make door skins. Jeeze it’s like reading a ladybird book on how cars are made in here
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
Yup if it goes beyond something like a cigarette setting fire to a bin, it quickly gets past what a hand held extinguisher can deal with.
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This. On my last fire masrshall training with the Fire Brigade, they said if you come across a fire and there isnt a fire extinguisher in the room (or very nearby), by the time you have gone and got one, it will already be too late to put the fire out.
 
jpaul said:
agree it's the gigapress chassis elements on tesla, and soon, vw, that have this reputation ...
but, the teslas are real light, maybe helped by that, so they have potential for better handling - can't have your cake....
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They are barely in production so don’t have a “reputation” by any stretch of the imagination!

It’s the body aswell, not chassis…
 
Low speed repair events are things that are no where near the energy to effect the structure like that.

No discussion, just facts. The discussion was around made up conjecture
 
Simon said:
Teslas are relatively light and don’t use carbon. Can you read

Rubber keeps suspension away from the body too
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Can YOU read, I didn't mention carbon in what you quoted?

Also there are places where steel is bolted to aluminium on Teslas, corrosion has been seen on them. They only need to be in close proximity if it's a place where they both get wet.

Most of the time aluminium chassis are considered unrepairable, because manufacturers say that's the case.
 
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Not to mention that if any car received significant collision damage and impacted the structure of the car, it would be written off regardless of whether it had a ‘giga casting’ or not.

Insurance companies just don’t repair that kind of damage, it’s just too expensive to to properly in an insurance approved body shop.
 
I've never seen a chassis jig , but thought reputedly there were some classes of accident that could be repaired, possibly in the 90's though , and ? that went out with monocoque.
( The integrity of the giga casting I thought were under question too (but maybe mold is improved now) with some owners having seen daylight through Y wheel well crack,
it is a new technology ? without mileage under its belt like the batteries. )
 
Had my MG4 for about a week now (finally). Really liking it so far, although it absolutely should be considered a "cheap" way into an EV and expect as much.

Drives really well now I've had more time in it rather than a few test drives - comfortable, quiet, quick enough and happy to be given a bit of stick too when the kids aren't in the back. It's a world away as a driving experience from the ioniq ( which shouldn't really be a surprise) though I'd say marginally less complete and composed feeling than the Born that I originally ordered. Inside the cupra and MG are much of a muchness for me in terms of design and general quality.....however

I remain entirely unconvinced by the longevity of the seats, suspect the drivers base will look terrible in a couple of years. Lots of online complaints about lane assist which I find a non issue though I do find the ACC on traffic assist mode to be very average. It'd be fine if you'd never used a system like it at all before but really really basic and almost pointless having in addition to regular ACC.

Only other negative is efficiency is pretty crap so far (under 3 miles per kWh) but I've only been running about in it really and the weather is starting to cool - doesn't greatly matter for my use in any case.

Good car overall and I'm happy I got it, let's see how it ages over the next couple of years - it was significantly cheaper on our company car scheme than almost any other EV (golf sized plus at least) when I ordered even in fairly well specced trophy form. I still don't think I would take the X power version but would be interested in driving the extended range.
 
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I haven't driven one (yet) but I like the look of the MG4 and the price is almost sensible which is nice. I will say however you are not wrong on that efficiency being crap. I am getting better than that on my IPace at the moment (and that is definitely anything but efficient when it comes to EVs.

are you sure you are not driving it like you stole it ? ;)
 
It'll get a more representative test next week as I haven't went to the office at all over the last few days which is unusual. New toy and all that so I'm sure it's been getting a little bit more stick than I'd normally give, although I haven't been hammering it everywhere.

Long term average in the ioniq is about 4.2 so even if this ends up being say 3 or just under then the lower efficiency offsets itself against bigger battery and will end up feeling much the same in terms of need to charge week to week for me.

And it's bright orange, therefore cool
 
rodenal said:
Had my MG4 for about a week now (finally). Really liking it so far, although it absolutely should be considered a "cheap" way into an EV and expect as much.

Drives really well now I've had more time in it rather than a few test drives - comfortable, quiet, quick enough and happy to be given a bit of stick too when the kids aren't in the back. It's a world away as a driving experience from the ioniq ( which shouldn't really be a surprise) though I'd say marginally less complete and composed feeling than the Born that I originally ordered. Inside the cupra and MG are much of a muchness for me in terms of design and general quality.....however

I remain entirely unconvinced by the longevity of the seats, suspect the drivers base will look terrible in a couple of years. Lots of online complaints about lane assist which I find a non issue though I do find the ACC on traffic assist mode to be very average. It'd be fine if you'd never used a system like it at all before but really really basic and almost pointless having in addition to regular ACC.

Only other negative is efficiency is pretty crap so far (under 3 miles per kWh) but I've only been running about in it really and the weather is starting to cool - doesn't greatly matter for my use in any case.

Good car overall and I'm happy I got it, let's see how it ages over the next couple of years - it was significantly cheaper on our company car scheme than almost any other EV (golf sized plus at least) when I ordered even in fairly well specced trophy form. I still don't think I would take the X power version but would be interested in driving the extended range.
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Had mine since April now, total average m/kWh is 3.8 or 3.9 I think last I checked, but that's obviously mostly summer driving and the heater definitely sucks way more power than the AC.

Only times I've seen sub-3 is either really short trips (<10 mins) with the heater on, or when driving it like I stole it :D

Also drivers seat so far seems ok... so far. And I'm a fat *******

rodenal said:
And it's bright orange, therefore cool
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Amen Brother :p
 
rodenal said:
Drives really well now I've had more time in it rather than a few test drives - comfortable, quiet, quick enough and happy to be given a bit of stick too when the kids aren't in the back. It's a world away as a driving experience from the ioniq ( which shouldn't really be a surprise) though I'd say marginally less complete and composed feeling than the Born that I originally ordered. Inside the cupra and MG are much of a muchness for me in terms of design and general quality.....however
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rear wheel drive is refined, or, you had had it before ... do you sense if/when traction control is employed , these recent wet roads need more restraint.
 
Rwd always feels a much more natural push rather than scrabbling about out of corners and more balanced traction as you'd expect really.

You'd need to be really ham fisted to get into bother when it's still above freezing, doesn't really have enough power to break traction at will and the weight is low down which helps
 
l learned to drive in a 1.6 FWD rover 216.... my parents bought a 1.8l RWD sierra, put18 year old me on the insurance and I think I had been driving it about a week and I stacked it on a junction in icy weather.
my dad was not a happy bunny.... and a month later he did exactly the same thing :D. . it was a handful of a car in ice .

however IME modern RWD cars are a different beast all together. my 350z never let me down
 
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bigmike20vt said:
however IME modern RWD cars are a different beast all together. my 350z never let me down
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Indeed, but I don't really know why that is, with just the 200nm of torque I have at rear I know I can loose the backend on a wet roundabout,
and with an ev with twice as much I'd expect it to be delicate unless the operation of the dsc/traction control is really so subtle to make it un-noticeable,
and, not detract from the driving and (seat of the pants) feeling of the road.

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if you're not bored with the gigacasting/aluminium repair issue though this was an interesting video https://youtu.be/j1bQbA3EOKw
at least suggesting that for front/rear collisions the casting is well protected in accidents by replaceable crash bars, but side collision more exposed
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